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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
Dredge
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Message 76 of 217 (849356)
03-07-2019 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
11-21-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Name one.
Hello Faith. Some definitions of ToE include no more than principles of microevolution - ie, factual stuff that science has found many practical uses for. On the other hand, other definitions of ToE add the theory/conclusion that life evolved from UCA. The stuff about evolving from UCA is what I contend is useless to applied science.

Furthermore, a story about life on earth evolving from UCA doesn't qualify as knowledge. Knowledge is demonstrable facts - not theories or conclusions or opinions or beliefs or atheist folklore.

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Dredge
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Message 77 of 217 (849357)
03-07-2019 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Tangle
11-21-2018 1:26 PM


Re: Name one.
"Knowledge" is not the same as a practical use in applied science. I know that the sky is blue, but I can't think of a practical use in applied science for that knowledge.

Furthermore, a story about life on earth evolving from UCA doesn't qualify as knowledge. Only demonstrable facts qualify as knowledge - this precludes theories, opinions, conclusions, beliefs and atheist folklore.

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Dredge
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Message 78 of 217 (849360)
03-07-2019 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Tanypteryx
11-21-2018 1:55 PM


Re: Name one.
Research in evolutionary biology is not a practical use in applied science. S. J. Gould, for example, devoted his career to research in evolutionary biology and he contributed absolutely nothing of any practical use to science.

Research may led to a practical use, but research per se is not a practical use.

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Dredge
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Message 79 of 217 (849361)
03-07-2019 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tanypteryx
11-21-2018 2:11 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Sorry, but this is irrelevant to the OP. The uses you cite are not dependent in any way of believing/accepting that life on earth evolved from UCA
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Message 80 of 217 (849362)
03-07-2019 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by PaulK
11-21-2018 2:28 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
UCA is irrelevant to practical uses of microevolution.
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Dredge
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Message 81 of 217 (849363)
03-07-2019 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
11-21-2018 2:32 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Assumptions are the cornerstone of Evolutionism
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Dredge
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Message 82 of 217 (849364)
03-07-2019 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by AZPaul3
11-21-2018 5:48 PM


Re: Name one.
How is UCA relevant to protein folding?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 83 of 217 (849365)
03-07-2019 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Dredge
03-07-2019 12:14 AM


Re: Name one.
I know that the sky is blue, but I can't think of a practical use in applied science for that knowledge.

Do you know why it's blue? Understanding how light and elements in the atmosphere interact might have practical applications in spectrographic chemical analysis, but you are a purist and the sole arbiter of what is practical in applied science, or any science it seems.

I'm just thankful I don't have to bother trying to teach you anything, because you already know everything you want to.


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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Dredge
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Message 84 of 217 (849366)
03-07-2019 12:48 AM
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11-22-2018 4:29 AM


Speaking of which, geologists make use of the fossil record in oil and gas exploration. However, this use doesn't require accepting the evolutionary interpretation of said fossil record. A progressive creationist like me could use the fossil record just as proficiently. In fact, no explanation for the fossil record is required in order to make use of it in this way.

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Message 85 of 217 (849369)
03-07-2019 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Dredge
03-07-2019 12:14 AM


Re: Name one.
Dredge writes:

Knowledge" is not the same as a practical use in applied science.

Knowledge is knowledge. It doesn't need a practical use. Why do you care about this particular piece of knowledge and not others?

Furthermore, a story about life on earth evolving from UCA doesn't qualify as knowledge. Only demonstrable facts qualify as knowledge - this precludes theories, opinions, conclusions, beliefs and atheist folklore.

Sorry Chuck, religiously motivated people don't get to decide what is or isn't knowledge in science.


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AZPaul3
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Message 86 of 217 (849380)
03-07-2019 4:43 AM
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03-07-2019 12:02 AM


In other words, you can't give me an example of a practical use in applied science for the information that all life on earth evolved from UCA.

So, ok, no one here can meet your unreasonable requirements of an example.

So what?

Do we have to care about your errant opinions?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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ringo
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Message 87 of 217 (849383)
03-07-2019 10:54 AM
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03-06-2019 11:59 PM


Dredge writes:

This doesn't sound like a practical use for UCA.


That's what I said. But it doesn't need a practical use to be true.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 88 of 217 (849384)
03-07-2019 11:25 AM
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03-07-2019 12:14 AM


Re: Name one.
Furthermore, a story about life on earth evolving from UCA doesn't qualify as knowledge. Only demonstrable facts qualify as knowledge - this precludes theories, opinions, conclusions, beliefs and atheist folklore.

That bans all of science from the discussion.
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Dredge
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Message 89 of 217 (849400)
03-07-2019 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Stile
11-22-2018 3:00 PM


Stile writes:

Dredge writes:

It seems to me that the whole Universal Common Ancestor thing is completely irrelevant and useless outside the realm of evolutionary theory.


I completely agree. Just like how the whole transistor thing is completely irrelevant and useless outside the realm of electronic devices.

Sorry, but your analogy makes no sense at all to my fragile, eggshell mind. Unlike useless stories about UCA, transistors are eminently useful in a practical sense and also have also proven useful in applied science.

Well, within evolutionary theory, it would be a pretty cool thing to narrow down and figure out.

Er, try reading the OP again. Which part of it asks for uses "within evolutionary theory"? I'm almost certain the OP is confined to only practical uses in applied science.

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Dredge
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Message 90 of 217 (849402)
03-08-2019 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Porkncheese
11-23-2018 8:41 AM


Re: Aussie
Porkncheeese writes:

Hey Dredge. Fellow Aussie here.
I know exactly what you are saying mate.
Funny thing is no one else does...
Hehehe...

G'day to my fellow Australian!

My experience is that most evolutionists are very allergic to the idea that their beloved all-seeing, all-knowing, all-doing beliefs about UCA appear to be completely useless in any practical sense and really amount to a scientific irrelevance. The only "use" said beliefs have is to make all those atheists out there feel more secure about their materialistic philosophy. Tales about UCA are like cozy bedtime stories for the godless.

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