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Tanypteryx
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Message 946 of 1064 (852461)
05-11-2019 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 941 by Dredge
05-11-2019 6:32 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Dredge writes:

Tanypteryx writes:

scientifically explain aliens performing genetic engineering.


For an understanding of genetic engineering, just google "genetic engineering".

Oh, good grief! I'm not trying to find out what it is, I'm trying to find out if you have any knowledge about "genetic engineering," although I already know the answer.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Dredge
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Message 947 of 1064 (852462)
05-11-2019 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 930 by Stile
05-10-2019 9:28 AM


Stile writes:

edicine
Schematic representation of how antibiotic resistance evolves via natural selection. The top section represents a population of bacteria before exposure to an antibiotic. The middle section shows the population directly after exposure, the phase in which selection took place. The last section shows the distribution of resistance in a new generation of bacteria. The legend indicates the resistance levels of individuals.
Antibiotic resistance can be a result of point mutations in the pathogen genome at a rate of about 1 in 108 per chromosomal replication. The antibiotic action against the pathogen can be seen as an environmental pressure; those bacteria which have a mutation allowing them to survive will live on to reproduce. They will then pass this trait to their offspring, which will result in a fully resistant colony.
Understanding the changes that have occurred during organism's evolution can reveal the genes needed to construct parts of the body, genes which may be involved in human genetic disorders.[6] For example, the Mexican tetra is an albino cavefish that lost its eyesight during evolution. Breeding together different populations of this blind fish produced some offspring with functional eyes, since different mutations had occurred in the isolated populations that had evolved in different caves.[7] This helped identify genes required for vision and pigmentation, such as crystallins and the melanocortin 1 receptor.[8] Similarly, comparing the genome of the Antarctic icefish, which lacks red blood cells, to close relatives such as the Antarctic rockcod revealed genes needed to make these blood cells.[9]


I don't understand why you have posted this - it doesn't mention the concept of UCA or even drop the slightest hint about it!

You are unable to identify a single YEC who doesn't have the idea of UCA incorporated in their research who is not "useless" in developing drugs and vaccines (medicine and/or antibiotic resistance.

This is so lame I can't believe I'm even bothering to respond to it - where is your evidence that a YEC biologist would be useless in developing drugs and vaccines? So YECs can become professors of biology, but they be useless in the field of drugs and vaccines? What a stupid claim.
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Dredge
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Message 948 of 1064 (852463)
05-11-2019 7:29 PM
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05-10-2019 9:28 AM


qs=StileThat is, if UCA was not applicable - those creating medicine would be using some other idea as a guide, or we would not have 'new medicine antibiotic resistance' at all.[/qs]
How is the concept of UCA used as a 'guide" when creating new medicines?

What the hell is "new medicine antibiotic resistance"?


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Dredge
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Message 949 of 1064 (852464)
05-11-2019 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 931 by edge
05-10-2019 10:38 AM


edge writes:

If you don't accept the UCA theory, then you might accept something else like like some form of voodoo.


You've missed the point of the discussion: How is accepting UCA theory essential to developing new medicines? Provide an example.
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Dredge
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Message 950 of 1064 (852466)
05-11-2019 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 938 by edge
05-10-2019 11:43 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
edge writes:

Are you really holding up a guy with degrees in Hebrew literature as an authority on the Cambrian explosion?


I was expecting this - apparently someone intelligent enough to be a Professor of Computer Science isn't intelligent enough to study the fossil record. If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger.

Now prove that he's wrong.


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Dredge
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Message 951 of 1064 (852467)
05-11-2019 7:42 PM
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05-11-2019 6:31 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
AZPaul3 writes:

We got pictures. What you got?


Pictures of what?
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Dredge
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Message 952 of 1064 (852468)
05-11-2019 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 944 by AZPaul3
05-11-2019 6:50 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
AZPaul3 writes:

Would it be ok if the aliens doing all this genetic engineering were called chemistry and entropy?


No, that would add up to a superstitious fantasy akin to spontaneous generation, which is not a scientific explanation.
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AZPaul3
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Message 953 of 1064 (852469)
05-11-2019 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 945 by Dredge
05-11-2019 7:10 PM


YEC Professor of Biology: "Er, sorry … I don't accept the concept of UCA so I don't understand how antibiotic resistance works. If you want to someone to explain it to you, you'll have to go to a different university."

You've been to Liberty University! Or was that Oral Roberts?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Dredge
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Message 954 of 1064 (852470)
05-11-2019 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 946 by Tanypteryx
05-11-2019 7:17 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Tanypteryx writes:

Oh, good grief! I'm not trying to find out what it is


No kidding.

I'm trying to find out if you have any knowledge about "genetic engineering," although I already know the answer.

I know next to nothing about genetic engineering.

Do you think it would be possible to make organisms evolve by genetic engineering?

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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Dredge
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Message 955 of 1064 (852471)
05-11-2019 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 930 by Stile
05-10-2019 9:28 AM


Yep, the concept of UCA is so essential to understanding antibiotic resistance you couldn't show me even one online explanation of antibiotic resistance that incorporates the concept of UCA. You're so funny!
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AZPaul3
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Message 956 of 1064 (852472)
05-11-2019 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 951 by Dredge
05-11-2019 7:42 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
AZPaul3 writes:
We got pictures. What you got?
Pictures of what?

Really? Did you lose track of the conversation?

Well, you do have a lot on your plate, that you put there btw, so I guess, with such limited abilities, we should expect some lapses.

Now, once again, what you got? Some kind of evidence? Some kind of feeling? I'd love to hear about the voices in your heart.

Or ... or!

Could you be recieving alien transmissions over that aluminum hat you wear? Is that a Stetson or Fedora style?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 957 of 1064 (852473)
05-11-2019 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 952 by Dredge
05-11-2019 7:45 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
AZPaul3 writes:
Would it be ok if the aliens doing all this genetic engineering were called chemistry and entropy?
No, that would add up to a superstitious fantasy akin to spontaneous generation, which is not a scientific explanation.

Try doing genetic engineering without them.

And I'm sure that in your twisted little mind not much fits as a scientific explanation.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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JonF
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Message 958 of 1064 (852474)
05-11-2019 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 943 by Dredge
05-11-2019 6:45 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
Those particular gaps may or may not be shrinking. Others are. Not explaining everything is not in itself a reason for discarding a theory.

OTOH a fantasy like your aliens, which answers every question with "aliens did it" is identical to the creationist "God did it". It explains nothing.


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edge
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Message 959 of 1064 (852475)
05-11-2019 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 939 by Dredge
05-11-2019 6:29 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
My aliens are as invisible as your macroevolution.

Your aliens are part of a mechanism. The mechanism should be detectable, or at least known by some inference.

Edited by edge, : No reason given.

Edited by edge, : No reason given.


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edge
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Message 960 of 1064 (852476)
05-11-2019 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 942 by Dredge
05-11-2019 6:39 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
"a sensible progression"? Only if aliens performed genetic engineering to get from one stage to the next.

You have not presented evidence for such agents.

You seem to be getting the fossil record confused with your evolution dreaming - the two don't line up.

Actually, I'm confusing you with someone who can draw conclusions about time-domain data.

Where is the evidence of evolution from pre-E bacteria to E-fauna and then to the C-animals? Such evidence exists only in your evo-deluded mind.

It's in the patterns.
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