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ringo
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Message 1231 of 1258 (854515)
06-09-2019 2:10 PM
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06-09-2019 3:46 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge writes:

... the thread ran off-topic about a thousand posts ago.


That's because your OP was answered a thousand posts ago and you've been doing nothing but trolling ever since.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 1232 of 1258 (854519)
06-09-2019 2:46 PM
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06-09-2019 3:42 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
This is how you breed sausage dogs from wolves: You just leave wolves alone to for a few thousand years and eventually they will evolve into sausage dogs.”

I thought we were talking amniotes to synapsids. Millions of years of microevolution and natural selection is how nature did the task. And that is a well known fact whether you care to acknowledge it or not.

Go ahead. Put your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes and say 5 "godonits".

That’s like saying, “This is how you breed sausage dogs from wolves: You just leave wolves alone to for a few thousand years and eventually they will evolve into sausage dogs.”

To a stupid person it may appear to be the same. Knowledge is a wonderful thing and allows one to separate differing process producing differing results.

To go from amniotes thru synapsid thru wolf to dog is this same process. Millions of years of microevolution and natural selection. Now if you want to go from dog to dachshund that is obviously, except to the stinted logic of the twisted religious mind, a different process. Microevolution by artificial selection. Quite different from the natural process.

... you really know nothing about “how macroevolution occurs.”

Reading comprehension really is a weakness for you isn't it. Must go with that IQ of 9 you are so proud of.

You have been schooled many times in this one thread alone on exactly how macroevolution occurs.

Denying this is intellectually dishonest. To be expected from your side, I suppose ... or ... it is religiously motivated denial since the facts of evolution and microevolution and genetics and natural selection all conspire to destroy your fantasy of a sky-daddy god who blows his nose at clay dolls?

Snot covered Hummels. Ewww.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 1233 of 1258 (854525)
06-09-2019 6:03 PM
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06-09-2019 2:46 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
I thought we were talking amniotes to synapsids. Millions of years of microevolution and natural selection is how nature did the task. And that is a well known fact whether you care to acknowledge it or not.

Well known fact? You are deluded. It's assumption, not fact. There is no evidence for such a thing.


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Message 1234 of 1258 (854526)
06-09-2019 6:33 PM
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06-09-2019 6:03 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
The evidence, M'Lady, is all over the internet. You can't miss it ... except on purpose.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 1235 of 1258 (854527)
06-09-2019 6:49 PM
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06-09-2019 6:33 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Oh nonsense.
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Message 1236 of 1258 (854529)
06-09-2019 7:17 PM
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06-09-2019 6:49 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Says the person who believes that the Mueller Report concludes that there was zero collusion and completely exonerates Trump of obstruction of justice.
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Message 1237 of 1258 (854531)
06-09-2019 7:23 PM
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06-09-2019 7:17 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Uh huh, well that was the original statement of the conclusion. Later of course they managed to invent some other stuff based on a lot of mere verbiage, no actual evidence.

Anyway, if synapsids DID evolve from amniotes it would have to be by microevolution which is not evolution but means they are really the same species. But it's evolution that is claimed, and that's nonsense. I looked up some images but my eyes don't work well enough to identify the relationship between the two creatures.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1238 of 1258 (854532)
06-09-2019 7:28 PM


Oh that went well.

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Message 1239 of 1258 (854533)
06-09-2019 7:34 PM


This thread is destabilizing ... time to stick a fork in it.
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Message 1240 of 1258 (854535)
06-09-2019 8:52 PM
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06-09-2019 7:34 PM


The time to stick a fork in it was the first time Dredge invoked the supernatural and turned it into a religious proselytizing thread.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1241 of 1258 (854536)
06-09-2019 9:50 PM
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06-09-2019 8:52 PM


The time to stick a fork in it was the first time Dredge invoked the supernatural and turned it into a religious proselytizing thread.

Heh, heh ... if you suggested that the OP was bogus, I would tend to agree. Some of us have seen this from Dredge before, though outright trolling with the alien meme turned it into even more of a circus at an early point.

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Message 1242 of 1258 (854537)
06-09-2019 10:16 PM


... and it's fun.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

  
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Message 1243 of 1258 (854714)
06-12-2019 2:00 AM
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06-09-2019 11:01 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Tanypteryx writes:

I know what macroevolution is


Ah, I see you've changed your tune - you've gone from claiming to "know how macroevolution occurs" to "I know what macroevolution is".

Moving the goalposts isn't going to help you - if you really did "know how macroevolution occurs", you would know how to breed a winged insect from a non-winged insect. But you haven't got a clue about how to perform such a feat, because you only know how MICROevolution (genetic variations within a extant population) occurs.

Anyhow, if you want to be further humiliated re this subject, go to the new thread in "Biological Evolution": https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=19897

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Message 1244 of 1258 (854717)
06-12-2019 2:22 AM
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06-09-2019 10:16 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
I can feel the pain and anguish of your confusion from here. Perhaps it will assist you to go to the new thread on this matter: https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=19897
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Message 1245 of 1258 (854745)
06-12-2019 10:51 AM
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06-12-2019 2:00 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Dredge the Humiliater writes:

Ah, I see you've changed your tune - you've gone from claiming to "know how macroevolution occurs" to "I know what macroevolution is".

Nope, I know what macroevolution is AND how it occurs.

Dredge the Humiliater writes:

Moving the goalposts isn't going to help you - if you really did "know how macroevolution occurs", you would know how to breed a winged insect from a non-winged insect. But you haven't got a clue about how to perform such a feat, because you only know how MICROevolution (genetic variations within a extant population) occurs.

Your problem is a complete lack of knowledge about evolution, microevolution, and macroevolution. How humiliating.

Dredge the Humiliater writes:

Anyhow, if you want to be further humiliated re this subject, go to the new thread in "Biological Evolution": https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=19897

Since I know what macroevolution is and how it works and since I know what evolution is and how it works, and you do not, you will have to up your gave if you want to see me humiliated.

Repeat after me:

Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution.

Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution.

Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution.

Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution.

Breeding is not a surrogate for evolution.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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