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ringo Member Posts: 18854 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
The Bible is evidence that the Bible was written. We can not conclude from that evidence that anything in the Bible is true.
You're saying it backwards. If something is possible, we can determine whether or not it happened. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member Posts: 18854 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
That isn't what resurrection means. You've been wasting everybody's time by claiming that you believe in the resurrection. If He came back in a different spooky body, the wounds that He showed off were counterfeit and His whole "proof" that He was alive was a lie. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member Posts: 18854 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Where are Paul's credentials? And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member Posts: 18854 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
There are actually (at least) three different categories here: 1. Books that admit to being fiction - e.g. the Harry Potter books And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You've made up category 2. You have no proof of the claim.
Pauls credentials are usually stated without controversy among scholars. Why do you insist on challenging them? One could ask where your credentials are. These arguments are far more than simple logic problems. Lots of things can be disproven on paper, but we are interested in whether the rubber meets the road(to Damascus) or not. I realize that I have invoked a couple of logical fallacies here, but you cant just go and make up a category 2. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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ringo Member Posts: 18854 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Yes I do. Jim Hawkins claimed that the events in Treasure Island really happened. He even went so far as to have Dr. Livesey narrate the parts that he didn't witness himself.
I challenge everything. That's the proper MO. How else can you hope to figure out what's true and what's false?
I'm not the one who is making claims about Jesus.
You have it backwards. We already know that as far as many Christian claims are concerned, we know that the rubber doesn't meet the road at all. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble. ![]() Edited by Phat, : double post Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8050 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
That's nonsense. There are plenty of religions that have developed purely from myth without the slightest chance of their miraculous claims being true - Mormonism is just one in modern times. All that's required is a story and enough people to propagate it. The fact that the main instigator had never heard any of the stories first hand should ring huge alarm bells. When you then find that 'Paul's writings are by four different people you should be even more alarmed. In fact 'Paul' didn't need Jesus to exist at all let alone be ressurected, all he needed was the stories. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Mormons piggybacked on Christianity. Without the Bible, the Book of Mormon never would have stood on its own.
Evidence from their own website Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8050 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
And Christianity piggybacked on Judaism (and Paganism). The New Testament could never have stood on its own Edited by Tangle, : embarassing spelling.... Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I'll accept this argument. One could argue, however, that Paganism piggybacked on imagination---the art of making things up. Judaism was not arguably made up.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8050 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Of course it was, they all are. That's why there's so many of them. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 14865 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ahhh the old "seen one seen em all" argument. The problem is, you haven't even seen One yet. Just as you never saw Santa Claus, right? Wrong. They all are not the same.
But let's take a break and go fishing. maybe you can teach me something I need to know. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8050 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
I've definitely seen one. Or actually a couple of flavours of one (there being 38,000 flavours of Christianity alone.)
You mean the One you believe in, that's different to the One Faith believes in? Or is it the One GDR believes in? The normal answer is that they're all the same at base, well if that's the case then I have met the One, 'cos I believed the same crap you do when I was a kid. Sadly, I'm afraid to say he's just as fake as all the rest. I had an epiphany.
They are exactly the same in that everyone that believes them believes in them the same way that you do. Many with less doubt.
That's not going to work, it's closed season. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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