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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
Phat
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Message 6 of 294 (844526)
12-01-2018 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dr Adequate
12-01-2018 11:30 AM


Dr.A
That's a good link. I personally don't know much about this stuff nor the arguments, but I appreciate it when they can be explained in ways that I can at least comprehend. Our overall goal is to have a quality topic for our archives that people actually enjoy reading. Limited snark should only be allowed once participants are familiar with each other and have shown mutual respect for each other's arguments.

I appreciate your professionalism.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 7 of 294 (844527)
12-01-2018 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Porkncheese
11-30-2018 7:06 PM


Nicely Done First Post
Say for example I designed a new type of bridge, never been done before. The breakthrough is a new material I have invented. This will make the bridge stronger and cheaper to build. I go and propose this new design to my boss. He asks me how certain I am it will work. And I respond by telling him the chances of it working are 1x10^77. Should we still build it on the off chance it will work? Off course not. We go and do countless tests on this new material under various conditions and circumstances. We try to falsify the materials claims by testing it to breaking point, analyzing the data and making improved changes to this material until we are 100% certain that its properties are consistent with the requirements.

That's an example of applied science and the high standards of evidence involved, for those who were confused

Out of curiosity, what science courses are you studying?
Also, I applaud you on the professional look of your first post. Don't be afraid to argue with these guys, but keep it professional and not flippant. A lot of what we choose to believe is due to the level of comfort and familiarity involved, as well as the facts and evidence. creation, for example, has no real argument apart from the one he is comfortable using....yet he keeps using it because it makes him feel better to diss the science peanut gallery here at the form. Call it boredom, I dunno. We all use the forum to relieve stress...when we can holler at our opponents.

Also...I know that you are agnostic, came from a religious family, and have recently entertained some of the Intelligent Design arguments...what is your tentative conclusion so far on which discipline best explains human origins here on the third rock? Don't be afraid to be humble...its a quality that will endear you to your readers.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 9 of 294 (844543)
12-01-2018 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
12-01-2018 2:44 PM


Re: Nicely Done First Post
Is that you or pork n cheese? I missed that...

Add by Edit: Oh okay... I get the joke. Humor reference.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 11 of 294 (844546)
12-01-2018 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by RAZD
12-01-2018 3:00 PM


Re: Nicely Done First Post
Oh okay, thanks for letting me know. It helps me to get to know a bit about people before I engage in discussions with them.

Anyway...back to the topic. Here I am engaging in the light-hearted banter that I scolded you guys for doing!

Also...pork n cheese? If you are reading this, please take your time before making any replies...I want you to get good grades first.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 31 of 294 (844724)
12-04-2018 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Porkncheese
12-04-2018 7:32 AM


Aaarrrrrrrrrruuuugggghhhh
pork n cheese writes:

You guys are old and married....

followed later by
pork n cheese writes:

Explain to me how the fuck im meant to get layed under this atheist society?

Conclusion: You are ranting because you are emotionally/sexually frustrated and attempting to find yourself. Just remember that all of us who are older have been there. If arguing with us relieves tension...keep it up! My closing your earlier topics is not the problem. Be honest. Is my analysis anywhere close to the truth?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 55 of 294 (844791)
12-05-2018 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by JonF
12-04-2018 6:58 PM


Re: Aaarrrrrrrrrruuuugggghhhh
Had to look that one up! Urban Dictionary

And or those of you who want to ban anyone for unprofessionalism,(aka trolling) my philosophy is to let them rant for a limited time and see if they graduate to being another old EvC Member with a boring life! I keep an eye on them though. Porky was nice to me in early replies, so I cut him a bit of slack. He does seem to be mindlessly ranting lately, though.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 241 of 294 (848518)
02-08-2019 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Pressie
02-08-2019 6:30 AM


This Explains A Lot...
Pressie writes:

Creationists like to play with words...Scientists flourish on data.

That explains why many scientists won't entertain a hypothetical belief without data.

I'm still puzzled, though. Perhaps I am at a loss for words...


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 276 of 294 (849114)
02-25-2019 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Tangle
02-25-2019 4:18 AM


Producing The Producer
But for non-made-made things that have natural explanations for their existence, I really need you to produce this designer otherwise there's a very big and important piece of the explanation missing. But you can't do this.
It would seem a bit of a chore to simply make God appear. You will say "of course...because he does not exist!" but you really can't expect anyone to "produce" anything whether he existed or he didn't. I suppose I could put in a prayer asking Him to get tangles attention. You will likely trot out the statistics (that you love) and show me how it has been proven that prayer does nothing. Maybe we best just call it a day and go fishing.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 278 of 294 (849118)
02-25-2019 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Tangle
02-25-2019 9:40 AM


Re: Producing The Producer
It's always best to go fishing, but if you want to convince anyone of any argument, you're going to have to produce some hard facts, not waffle.
I've never really had any problem with Geology or Biology. I think that Biblical Creationism is an unneeded rabbit trail. If one wishes to believe that, they may as well believe that God routinely stops the sun and stars from spinning...just because He can. My challenge in my own personal view of faith is to discover what God actually does. I've no problem believing that He can hypothetically do anything.

Which does not mean that He is simply magic at my imaginative whim.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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