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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Good thing nobody thinks that's how the panoply of life aroseu.
Or perhaps you have a mainstream source that thinks that random arrangements of atoms is how it happened? Didn't think so. Big numbers of based on faulty premises are meaningless. See Big Numbers Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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He's definitely an incel.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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quote: Oh Look! Another Dating App For The Basket Of Unf*ckables! - Wonkette. Trigger warning:lots of liberal snark and dick jokes.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Tragic, but nothing to do with the ToE. Also check King Leopold of the Congo, and the 2-100 million knocked off in the conquest of the Americas.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
ID does not predict a nested hierarchy. But of course it can account for a nested hierarchy, since it can account for anything. Which means it can't predict anything, especially the result of any experiment.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Beta-lactimase activit is a particular function. He didn't test for any of the near-infinite number of other possible functions. So his result does not support the claim that there is no function; it only means that it lacks that particular function. Note that essentially all of the enzymes involved in life lack Beta-lactimase activity, yet they do have functions.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Why would nobody claim design for a totally random process? Your designer can't flip coins?
It is nice that you acknowledge that ID makes no predictions. Thank you. Therefore ID is ubfalsifiable and not science. But then you claimed ID predicted little or no junk DNA. How is that derived without lots of assumptions about the designer's abilities and motives? Do you contend that your designer was constrained to produce life with little or no junk DNA? If so, how? Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
People have designed random number generators that are truly random, based on when radioactive isotopes decay or random electrical noise. Hard to believe your designer can't.
From your Message 121 "ID doesnt claim to be able to predict anything or Everything." seems to me that means it can't predict anything.
quote:Why? You claim you don't "comment on the abilities and motives of a designer outside of the base definition (so at least an intelligence and capability to do something according to a purpose)." Yet you claim to know its motive in re junk DNA. How do you know it would not include junk DNA for some reason you don't know or on a whim or its idea of a joke or... Sure seems inconsistent to me. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
That's pretty close to a good definition. A nested hierarchy is a group of sets in which all sets except the initial one are wholly contained within one of the sets. So no duplicate sets or sets that appear within more than one set (in a Venn diagram, no set boundary crossing any set boundary).
Nested hierarchies are extremely difficult to construct from any reasonably large set of real sets. They are very rare in nature, so when one appears it demands explanation. Life forms a nested hierarchy based on shared derived characteristics. Unless you have a different explanation. "We can't explain the designer" is not an explanation.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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And yet nobody has ever done this. No, you cannot. This is all just theoretical. LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You "Just theoretical" does not mean "useless" or "untested".
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
How, pray tell, would one identify a new function?
Mostly you wouldn't. But that's irrelevant. Failing to detect a new function does not prove there is no new function, nor does it indicate that there is any particular probability of a new function. That's why Axe's work is bootless. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Nobody has made an ancestral protein.
False. Click the link in my message and you will be inundated in links where people report making ancestral proteins.
From your Message 121 "ID doesnt claim to be able to predict anything or Everything." seems to me that means it can't predict anything.
I take your lack of response to be an admission that ID makes no predictions about junk DNA.
quote:Why? You claim you don't "comment on the abilities and motives of a designer outside of the base definition (so at least an intelligence and capability to do something according to a purpose)." Yet you claim to know its motive in re junk DNA. How do you know it would not include junk DNA for some reason you don't know or on a whim or its idea of a joke or... Sure seems inconsistent to me.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
None of the initial papers from your reference dump seem to have any link to actual, ANCIENT protein/DNA
But loads of them report making ancestral DNA.
All that ID claims is that the inferred best explanation for some features of the natural world is best explained by the actions of a mind/intelligence. It doesn't attempt to explain who or what that intelligence is, nor whatever motives that intelligence mayor may not have. The only characteristic it would attempt to infer is qualities directly related to a design paradigm. Thus, if someone was designing a semiotic system, and it displayed the many checks and error-correction mechanisms that DNA has, then it would be very unlikely to be a system that generated or allowed a significant amount of junk (per the evolutionary explanation). It's just a matter of normal design constrain
Repeating contradictory claims doesn't resolve the contradiction. You are assuming your designer is subject to the same kind of "normal design constraints" (your words) as a human designer. Project specifications, cost, time, saleability, availability of materials... You are assuming aspects of the intelligence that you have no basis for assuming, or your claim of "nor whatever motives that intelligence mayor may not have" is false (and your "prediction" is no such thing}.
Slartibartfast designed fjords with krinkly edges because they have such a baroque feel. How do you know your designer doesn't just like the baroque feel of junk DNA and doesn't care about any other aspects of it? (Need a hint?) Pick one. Having both is irreconcilable.
Now that more data is available, it turns out the idea of Junk DNA is practically dead and most evolutionary scientists back away from the idea and would like to sweep their history under the rug.
[citations required] Most scientists still believe in junk DNA. Most of those believe there's lots of it. And they've got lots of evidence. Finding a function of a few items previously thought to be junk doesn't change that. Of course there's always ENCODE; bet you haven't a clue what their work signifies.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
So, no defense of your claims other than repeating your contradictory claims. Sad.
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JonF Member (Idle past 463 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
That is totally unrelated to my post. I'm not giving you anything and you aren't asking for anything
"I'm not going to assume anything about the designer's motives" Followed immediately by "I'm assuming the designer was constrained by 'normal design constraints' (whatever that means)." This isn't rocket science. Those two claims are contradictory. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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