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Diomedes
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Message 31 of 52 (849913)
03-25-2019 7:26 PM
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03-25-2019 6:24 PM


Re: Automatic Firewall Installed
It has backups built in, but I don't see how they're useful because only the entire backup can be restored. There's very little documentation, so I don't know if the backup includes the MySQL database, though you'd think it should since the database must ultimately just be files somewhere on disk.

Should be fine. The database will just be binary and config files that should get captured if the whole file system is being backed up.

Not sure what you mean by disaster recovery.

Basically just fail over in the event of issues with the server infrastructure. Generally speaking, this is implied with cloud vendors but they have different levels of DR depending on which options you select.


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Message 32 of 52 (849914)
03-25-2019 7:33 PM
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03-25-2019 7:26 PM


Re: Automatic Firewall Installed
This link might answer any questions you have: https://confluence.dev.superb.net

--Percy


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Message 33 of 52 (849943)
03-26-2019 12:59 PM
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03-25-2019 7:33 PM


Re: Automatic Firewall Installed
Thanks.

I didn't see details on DR on their Confluence page, but when I searched, it appears they have a whitepaper that describes it. It's not available online but can be requested by customers:

https://www.superb.net/white-papers/data-protection

You may want to ask for a copy to give it a read. My guess is DR is baked into their infrastructure.


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Message 34 of 52 (849953)
03-27-2019 8:58 AM
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03-26-2019 12:59 PM


Re: Automatic Firewall Installed
Diomedes writes:

My guess is DR is baked into their infrastructure.

Do we know if we are on a Virtual Server?

Most VM software (like VMWare) is really easy to setup along with a VM-backup tool. Something that takes daily backups of the VM.
Then, if anything goes wrong - the previous day's (or, say, a week ago's) backup is simply loaded in and things carry on.
In this scenario, you would lose "1 day" (or 1 week) of data.

SQL databases generally have their own backup-creating tools to dump backup data too. These are easily restored as well.

I agree that they likely have such things incorporated automatically at this point.

But, on the other side, it wouldn't be a shock if they attempted to charge extra or otherwise limit access to such "upgrades."


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Message 35 of 52 (849954)
03-27-2019 9:36 AM
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03-27-2019 8:58 AM


Re: Automatic Firewall Installed
Do we know if we are on a Virtual Server?

Yes. It's specified on their website materials:

https://www.superb.net/cloud-hosting/all-cloud-accounts

I agree that they likely have such things incorporated automatically at this point.

But, on the other side, it wouldn't be a shock if they attempted to charge extra or otherwise limit access to such "upgrades."

That's kind of why I recommend Percy grab a copy of the whitepaper they have for download. My suspicion is DR and backup likely come as different types of services. I can tell you that when I worked for a company years ago that had backup software, the type and manner of backup varied. Along with the disaster recovery aspects.

Generally, they all have some variant of DR and backup. It's just a question of which specific services you ask for. If you are a company that needs maximum uptime for your SAAS offering, you'd want some form of DR and backup that gets you on your feet again very quickly.

For EVC, I don't think it needs to be that robust. As much as we all like posting here, if the site was offline for a few days, it wouldn't be the end of the world.


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Message 36 of 52 (849955)
03-27-2019 9:50 AM
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03-27-2019 8:58 AM


Re: Automatic Firewall Installed
Stile writes:

Do we know if we are on a Virtual Server?

Yes, we're on a virtual server.

Most VM software (like VMWare) is really easy to setup along with a VM-backup tool. Something that takes daily backups of the VM.
Then, if anything goes wrong - the previous day's (or, say, a week ago's) backup is simply loaded in and things carry on.
In this scenario, you would lose "1 day" (or 1 week) of data.

There is a control panel option for enabling automatic backups, but I haven't tried it yet.

They do have a useful feature that is part of the infrastructure, unfortunately I've forgotten the name, maybe it was shadowing. As I understood it, every request is dually executed, if the primary fails (e.g., the machine crashes while executing) then the secondary takes over, and losing a request or data should be a rare event.

SQL databases generally have their own backup-creating tools to dump backup data too. These are easily restored as well.

I can't find anything for databases in the control panel, but I could set up a crontab job for it. The script would be relatively simple, but I rarely write scripts and it takes me a while to recall the syntax and functions, so it would take me a little time to make it create unique names for each backup and then delete the ones older than x days.

There another control panel for managing the webhosting, but it doesn't seem to have any SQL backup features.

But, on the other side, it wouldn't be a shock if they attempted to charge extra or otherwise limit access to such "upgrades."

They're pretty good about not charging for stuff when your managing the server yourself. For example, when I tried to set up a certificate for the server (as opposed to just the evcforum.net domain) I ran into trouble, and their technical staff just went ahead and did it for me at no charge. They have a "managed server" option that is very expensive from my point of view, as in hundreds of dollars per month and up.

I should be posting to this thread as Admin, not Percy, switching back.

Edited by Admin, : Got interrupted by a phone call and left out a little bit, just added it in now.


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Message 37 of 52 (849968)
03-27-2019 10:46 PM
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03-27-2019 9:50 AM


Photos
Yes, we're on a virtual server.

Out of curiosity ... where are you on being able to upload photos to the server for links in posts?

It would need to have rules for open source or approved use material, with non-compliant pictures open to being deleted or de-linked (hidden?).

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Message 38 of 52 (849990)
03-28-2019 8:39 AM
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03-27-2019 10:46 PM


Re: Photos
RAZD writes:

Out of curiosity ... where are you on being able to upload photos to the server for links in posts?

This item hasn't risen to the top of my list yet. I intend that members be able to upload images and documents. If I determine how to prevent server access by webpages and code then I'll allow them, too.


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Message 39 of 52 (850052)
03-29-2019 4:00 PM
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03-28-2019 8:39 AM


Re: Photos
I intend that members be able to upload images and documents.

This would be great - it always annoyed me trying to find somewhere to host images externally for this forum.

Be warned though, it increases the likelihood of me trying to illustrate my point with something drawn badly in Paint.


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Message 40 of 52 (850053)
03-29-2019 4:09 PM
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03-29-2019 4:00 PM


Re: Photos
We could have a Personal Art Of The Month contest.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 41 of 52 (850233)
04-04-2019 8:35 AM


Recent Updates
I have just now updated to the mysqli API and PHP 7.2.16.

Apologies for several 20 second outages over the last 24 hours or so.


--Percy
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Message 42 of 52 (850243)
04-04-2019 6:04 PM


Change to Context Line
One reason traffic has declined here is because Google Search has downgraded us because we don't adhere to some things that have, over time, become important. One of those is the <h1> tag, which EvC Forum doesn't use. I have just added the <h1> tag - it is the last item on the context line that appears near the top of each EvC Forum webpage. While you're reading this message that's the line that says:

EvC Forum All Forums Board Administration Announcements Moving to Cloud Server

This line will likely be displayed incorrectly right now - the last item will appear on its own line in large letters. To correct this you need to force a fresh reload. In Chrome and Safari you do this by holding down the Shift Key and clicking on the reload icon (circular arrow) near the top of your browser. It's the left of the address box in Chrome, and on the right side of the address box in Safari.

AbE:

In Internet Explorer you hold down the control key and either press F5 or click on the refresh icon, which is to the left of the address box.

Edited by Admin, : Add info about Safari and IE.


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Message 43 of 52 (850244)
04-04-2019 6:23 PM
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04-04-2019 6:04 PM


Re: Change to Context Line
Good. The Do Nothing Button still works.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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caffeine
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Message 44 of 52 (850268)
04-05-2019 6:50 AM
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Re: Change to Context Line
In Chrome and Safari...

and Firefox...

...you do this by holding down the Shift Key and clicking on the reload icon (circular arrow) near the top of your browser.

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Message 45 of 52 (850270)
04-05-2019 7:55 AM
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04-05-2019 6:50 AM


Re: Change to Context Line
and Firefox...

I use <control> R

Enjoy

Edited by RAZD, : .


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