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Author Topic:   Discussion With A Conservative Pastor: I CANT & Phat Only..for now
ICANT
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Message 43 of 56 (847697)
01-25-2019 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Phat
01-21-2019 6:07 PM


Re: An Invitation And Request For ICANT
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

Where did you go? Im guessing that you are fasting from social media and getting back to your primary job of being a Pastor, which must involve a lot of prayer and sacrifice from your own free time.

I have been pretty busy lately.

I preach at least 3 messages a week and sometimes as many as 5. It usually takes 8 hours of study, prayer, and preparation for each message. I have homebound members that have to be visited on a regular basis besides visitors to the church. In 2018 we knocked on over 2400 doors. One week out of the year is sent at summer camp, 4 days at State meetings, 4 days at national meetings. A fifth Saturday meeting every fifth Saturday. A ladies meeting somewhere 1 Saturday out of the month. Plus all the other things that have to be done around the church. I have physical therapy for my knee which takes 2 hours 3 days a week. So I find that most the time I don't have anything to do between midnight and daylight. That is the reason most of my posts are during those hours. Right now I had a fall Wednesday on my bad knee so I am not doing much so I am posting.

Phat writes:

I have not yet written you off as a conman or willfully ignorant, as they have done.

I am no conman, I may come over as willfully ignorant sometimes by the way I word certain questions or approach a subject but everything I say or do has a purpose.

In school I maintained a A average through the first 12 years of school except the 7 grade. I attended school in Niagra Falls that year and they were on an accelerated program of study. The first day of class we were given a test and the second day we had assigned seats with those with close scores on the test being seated together. As we studied and started making A's the work got harder and the grades went down to C's. Making us study more to get the grades up to A's. But then the work got harder. At the end of the 7th grade I could read at 1500 words per minutes in our reading class. In math there was 3 of us doing 2nd year calculus at the end of the year.

Ten years after I graduated from high school I started college and maintained an A average even while taking Hebrew and Greek language study.

I have built roads, bridges multi story buildings and homes as well as churches. In building a home I can do anything from draw the blueprints and get them approved, clearing the lot with a bulldozer, and anything between that doing the finish touching up of the paint and cleaning up. That includes building the cabinets, doing all the
electrical, plumbing, block and cement work, framing, and drywall. Plus run my own business.

So I would not classify myself as an idiot.

Unless I have to accept assertions as evidence for how the universe began to exist and life began to exist as well as there is no absolute truth in order to be smart I guess I could be classified as a certified idiot.

But one thing I know for sure is that I am not a fool.

quote:
Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

I believe in God and I trust Him to do what He said He would do.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Posts: 6426
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 46 of 56 (847769)
01-26-2019 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Phat
01-26-2019 1:53 AM


Re: Daddys Opportunities
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

What was the reason? Did you tell everyone the same thing?

We just got back from visitation and we knocked on 300 doors this morning.

The reason we do this is because Jesus told His disciples to go into the world and make disciples and then to teach them the all things he had taught them.

The only reason for a churches existence is to carry out this mission He gave to it. We use door hangers that has a picture of our church on the front with our address, phone number and a invitation for them to come and worship with us and giving the church schedule.

On the back is God's simple plan of salvation. I designed these and make them myself.

We do not push anything we simply visit as a neighbor.

Phat writes:

I remember my Daddy as having a loving giving heart, but also a man that had not fully learned to be honest with himself and open up.

My dad was one of the greatest people I ever knew. He never hurt anyone but he could have. He wa 6'1 weighed 245 lbs and wore size 33 britches and could lift the front end of a farmall super A tractor off the ground. He would help anybody and did. If you needed his shirt he would have taken it off and gave it to you. All of this before he was born again. I had been born again for 14 years before my dad was born again. But being good and being sincere does not satisfy God's requirement for entrance into heaven.

So we knock on doors and try to present an alternative for people to choose to believe God exists, loves them, and will save them. Rather than spend eternity with the devil.

Phat writes:

I won't feel guilty simply for not pushing Jesus onto them.

As I said we don't push or pressure people to be saved. I found out a long time ago if I convinced a person to be saved against their will that they were unconvinced still. Meaning they were still lost and probably never would get saved as they had a false belief.

One example of how I operate. My teenage brother in law whom I loved told me one day after I had witnessed to him on many occasion that he would get saved when he was ready. From that moment I never mention salvation to him again. I had done my job as he realized he needed to be saved. A few years later he was saved and went on to become a sunday school teacher and finally a deacon in the church.

We are to witness and set the example and then depend on God to finish the job.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 270 days)
Posts: 6426
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 48 of 56 (877460)
06-16-2020 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
03-22-2019 10:41 AM


Re: A BETTER MEDIATOR
Hi Phat,

Sorry it has been so long since I spoke to you in this debate.
I have been having a lot of trouble with my 2nd knee replacement surgery. Besides taking care of my duties as pastor. Age is becoming a real problem as I will be 81 in 3 months. This old body of flesh is wearing out.

Phat writes:

What would you say if you were a part of that conversation?

As far as mediator goes they are simply one or more between two or more parties trying to bring about an agreement between all involved.

Moses was an advocate for Israel with God, just as Jesus is our advocate with God today. An advocate is a personal lawyer who pleads the individual's case. Whether it is before God, an earthly judge or jury.

quote:
Mike: This is a new age philosophy bro not Biblical.

I guess Mike has never read the fourth chapter of 1 John where verse 8 and 16 both state "God is Love".

Then again he may have a bible that does not have 1 John in it.

quote:
Mike: If you abide in Me

Sounds like Mike is one of those people that believe all you have to do is ask God for something and He has to give it to you.

The magic words there is abide because if you are not abiding in Him you are not going to get anything until you are restored with Him by repenting and turning from the things God does not like.

I would like to ask you why you can't believe that the sun stood still at God's command?

Barrow Alaska has 2 months out of the year where there is light. That is due to the tilt of the earth in relation to the sun.

In the last 150 years the North Pole has moved about 685 miles. Today it is moving at an unprecedented rate toward London.

So to produce the long day nothing had to stop as the north pole could have shifted at a different rate or the earth could have slowed it rotation or both could have taken place at the same time.

So why couldn't God who created all those things control them to bring about His desires. Or as far as that goes God is light so He could have provided the light need for the long day without anything slowing, stopping, or even moving.

God says they had a long day which means they had a long day.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 270 days)
Posts: 6426
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 53 of 56 (880553)
08-07-2020 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Phat
06-20-2020 3:43 PM


Re: Reprinting ICANTs Advice On Scriptural Interpretation
Hi Phat,

I been preaching that message for the past 58 years.

Nobody listens or cares.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
Member (Idle past 270 days)
Posts: 6426
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007


Message 54 of 56 (880558)
08-07-2020 1:54 PM


BUMP
Hi Phat,

I mentioned coming here for some discussion.

From Message 415

quote:
Phat writes:

It is another to present a counter-argument, which I fail to see many creationists do.

But who is allowed to present any kind of counter-argument to the one held by most posters here?

Anyone presenting anything other than the standard pack of beliefs is ridiculed and told how they are stupid and do not know what they are talking about and they have no evidence because their evidence is based on a book of myths and their faith.

I have presented evidence in this post that requires a God to exist. I will restate it for clarity.

Fact one. The universe can not have existed eternally in the past. Second law of thermodynamics. "Reaches thermodynamic equilibrium."

Fact two. The universe has to have existed eternally in the past. The first law of thermodynamics. "Energy and matter can not be created or destroyed."

Fact three. The universe does exist. "WHY"?


You can not look at the above and come to any conclusion other than there is a God in control.

The CMBR is the greatest visible relic that is used to support the standard theory. The CMBR is the result of a very bright period of light in the past.

Did you know that the CMBR supports the Biblical creation story?

The light period that existed from the 'beginning' until Genesis 1:2 would have produced light in the universe that would be the same everywhere.

Genesis 1:1 tells us that "in the beginning" created God the heavens and the earth.
I have yet to find any person religious, or scientific that can tell me when the beginning was.

Scientist tells me the universe is about 13.8 billion years old. Gappers tell me it is very old with no known age. But they have to insert super long days in order to get their old universe. YEC's tell me it is between 10,000 and 6,000 years old.

Phat I believe the universe has always existed in some form just not in the form we see it today. Moses could not understand what God was telling him about creation of the universe. The reason I believe the universe has always existed is because God has always existed. So the energy and matter that compose our universe could not be created.

Evidence for Biblical creation:

1. CMBR
2. Land mass in one place.
3. Land mass divided.
4. Universe is expanding.

Science has discovered these things in the last few years but the Bible recorded them over 2800 hundred years ago.

These were not predictions but statements of fact that have been verified by science.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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