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ICANT Member (Idle past 3 days) Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Phat,
We just got back from visitation and we knocked on 300 doors this morning. The reason we do this is because Jesus told His disciples to go into the world and make disciples and then to teach them the all things he had taught them. The only reason for a churches existence is to carry out this mission He gave to it. We use door hangers that has a picture of our church on the front with our address, phone number and a invitation for them to come and worship with us and giving the church schedule. On the back is God's simple plan of salvation. I designed these and make them myself. We do not push anything we simply visit as a neighbor.
My dad was one of the greatest people I ever knew. He never hurt anyone but he could have. He wa 6'1 weighed 245 lbs and wore size 33 britches and could lift the front end of a farmall super A tractor off the ground. He would help anybody and did. If you needed his shirt he would have taken it off and gave it to you. All of this before he was born again. I had been born again for 14 years before my dad was born again. But being good and being sincere does not satisfy God's requirement for entrance into heaven. So we knock on doors and try to present an alternative for people to choose to believe God exists, loves them, and will save them. Rather than spend eternity with the devil.
As I said we don't push or pressure people to be saved. I found out a long time ago if I convinced a person to be saved against their will that they were unconvinced still. Meaning they were still lost and probably never would get saved as they had a false belief. One example of how I operate. My teenage brother in law whom I loved told me one day after I had witnessed to him on many occasion that he would get saved when he was ready. From that moment I never mention salvation to him again. I had done my job as he realized he needed to be saved. A few years later he was saved and went on to become a sunday school teacher and finally a deacon in the church. We are to witness and set the example and then depend on God to finish the job. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Phat Member Posts: 15122 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
A BETTER MEDIATOR
How are you doing, Pastor? A lot has been happening here in Denver recently. I won't get into the Labor Negotiations stuff...you can read about that in my other topic. What I wanted to talk about today were conversations that I had with two of my Pastors...or should I say former Pastors because one of them moved to California and the other one still heads up our church. To be honest, I don't get to church very often because I work on Sundays and also because I feel like I can't relate to the flock...they are very literalist and simple Bible Believing people who know very little about science and who never engage in any debates as we do here at EvC...though they are good at debating/discussing scripture.
I have not heard from you in a while. You must be busy with your own flock doing the stuff you guys do. https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/...449684054016_n.jpg
It goes on... What would you say if you were a part of that conversation? The rest of you can comment here: Edited by Phat, : added link Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 3 days) Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Phat,
Sorry it has been so long since I spoke to you in this debate.
As far as mediator goes they are simply one or more between two or more parties trying to bring about an agreement between all involved. Moses was an advocate for Israel with God, just as Jesus is our advocate with God today. An advocate is a personal lawyer who pleads the individual's case. Whether it is before God, an earthly judge or jury. quote: I guess Mike has never read the fourth chapter of 1 John where verse 8 and 16 both state "God is Love". Then again he may have a bible that does not have 1 John in it. quote: Sounds like Mike is one of those people that believe all you have to do is ask God for something and He has to give it to you. The magic words there is abide because if you are not abiding in Him you are not going to get anything until you are restored with Him by repenting and turning from the things God does not like. I would like to ask you why you can't believe that the sun stood still at God's command? Barrow Alaska has 2 months out of the year where there is light. That is due to the tilt of the earth in relation to the sun. In the last 150 years the North Pole has moved about 685 miles. Today it is moving at an unprecedented rate toward London. So to produce the long day nothing had to stop as the north pole could have shifted at a different rate or the earth could have slowed it rotation or both could have taken place at the same time. So why couldn't God who created all those things control them to bring about His desires. Or as far as that goes God is light so He could have provided the light need for the long day without anything slowing, stopping, or even moving. God says they had a long day which means they had a long day. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Phat Member Posts: 15122 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
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I have a couple of church related questions for you, Pastor. 1) Was your church affected by the recent social distancing guidelines and did it close for awhile or were you able to work around these legalities since your congregation is so small? 2) Do you believe that we are in the Last Days as a nation and/or world or do you simply teach as you have always taught and not worry about such extreme theology? I try and keep a balanced and open mind regarding such topics though I believe that we will see it within the next 100 years. I always joke with my customers in line at work. I tell them that God is warning America similar to how God warned Israel years before judgement. Essentially we are in a dress rehearsal and the Lord is challenging us to really try our best as people to get along with each other, respect each other, and essentially follow what Jesus taught were the two greatest commandments. Also I wanted you to watch one of my favorite revivalist Pastors---in my opinion he is not selling snake oil and he is a much needed fire for the younger people in an otherwise apathetic church. Watch Isaiah Saldivar and tell me what you think of him. Isaiah reaches much of his audience via the internet, though he also travels to churches to speak--under normal conditions. COVID-19 caused him to do more on the internet, but he is in my opinion a gifted Pastor with an Apostolic anointing who genuinely cares about the church in America today. Show him to some of the younger people in your congregation. The rest of you can comment here: Edited by Phat, : added peanut gallery link. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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AnswersInGenitals Member Posts: 607 Joined: Member Rating: 3.6 |
Barrow also has two months of darkness. But, the sun does NOT appear to stand still! It skims along just above (summer) or just below (winter) the horizon! The only way that the sun would appear to stand still would occur if the earth’s rotational axis were pointed directly at the sun and you were standing exactly on the axis. But, of course, that is just how the sun appears due to the rotation of the earth. The sun does orbit around the galactic center so maybe that is the motion god brought to a halt for some reason. Or, if he wanted to provide a period of prolonged light he would just stop the earth’s rotation, which would have caused no ill effects since god did not create momentum until April 16, 512CE. (as long as we’re just inventing nonsense.) The real question is ‘why did god want to crush and enslave the Amorites?’. Weren’t they also gods children, descendants of Adam and Eve? ![]() this thread is private. please direct all comments to the peanut gallery thread. Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 15122 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Also some more Isaiah. I really respect the anointing this young man has. “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 15122 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
How are you doing, ICANT? I edited this post because I wanted to show you what Isaiah Saldivar is preaching/teaching sharing with the public regarding COVID 19.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : replaced video with a better one. “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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ICANT Member (Idle past 3 days) Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Phat,
I been preaching that message for the past 58 years. Nobody listens or cares. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member (Idle past 3 days) Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Phat,
I mentioned coming here for some discussion. From Message 415 quote: You can not look at the above and come to any conclusion other than there is a God in control. The CMBR is the greatest visible relic that is used to support the standard theory. The CMBR is the result of a very bright period of light in the past. Did you know that the CMBR supports the Biblical creation story? The light period that existed from the 'beginning' until Genesis 1:2 would have produced light in the universe that would be the same everywhere. Genesis 1:1 tells us that "in the beginning" created God the heavens and the earth. Scientist tells me the universe is about 13.8 billion years old. Gappers tell me it is very old with no known age. But they have to insert super long days in order to get their old universe. YEC's tell me it is between 10,000 and 6,000 years old. Phat I believe the universe has always existed in some form just not in the form we see it today. Moses could not understand what God was telling him about creation of the universe. The reason I believe the universe has always existed is because God has always existed. So the energy and matter that compose our universe could not be created. Evidence for Biblical creation: 1. CMBR Science has discovered these things in the last few years but the Bible recorded them over 2800 hundred years ago. These were not predictions but statements of fact that have been verified by science. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Phat Member Posts: 15122 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Watch this presentation. A man with as much math knowledge as the late Dr.Hawking talks about the two worldviews of materialism and spiritual Trinitarian Monotheism that you and I are familiar with.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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Phat Member Posts: 15122 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I wanted to share with you a local Pastor whom I respect. I respect him for several reasons. He is not political. He knows the Bible. He is humble and honest.
Though he preaches on fire....most folks here will think him to be a raging maniac. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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