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Thugpreacha
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Message 1 of 92 (845168)
12-12-2018 6:44 PM


Tangles Comment
I specifically set this topic up so that any member who wishes to comment on what I and ICANT are talking about can do so without interrupting the flow of our discussion.

Tangle, feel free to comment here. I will reproduce your comment:

Tangle writes:

ICANT writes:

But I studied something in the 7th grade in journalism class that can help anyone to better understand what they read. We studied it so we would know how to write a story to tell what we were reporting on.
There are five things you need to know to tell a story or understand it.

1. Who is speaking/writing?
2. To whom or about whom is he speaking/writing?
3. What subject is he speaking/writing about?
4. When or about what time is he speaking/writing?
5. What is the occasion for the speaking or writing?

Phat, as always ICANT only tells you part of the story, deliberately withholding the most important so that he can lead you by the nose:

6. WHY is the person telling me this and why now?

He also omits the most important journalistic principles of all, consider your source, check everything and remain independent.

quote:
Its [journalism's] practitioners must maintain an independence from those they cover

Independence is a cornerstone of reliability.

On one level, it means not becoming seduced by sources, intimidated by power, or compromised by self-interest. On a deeper level it speaks to an independence of spirit and an open-mindedness and intellectual curiosity that helps the journalist see beyond his or her own class or economic status, race, ethnicity, religion, gender or ego.


https://www.americanpressinstitute.org/...lements-journalism

We can discuss these things here. I value your input even if it is not what I believe. That's what I find challenging about talking/listening to you. This is a discussion forum, and I need to talk with ICANT as much as with you or ringo. Nobody here is going to lead me anywhere.

Edited by Phat, : added Tangle

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 4 of 92 (845225)
12-13-2018 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tangle
12-13-2018 4:02 AM


Re: Tangles Comment
Tangle, addressing the Great Debate writes:

I worry for you, you are already kowtowing to the disingenuous and ignorant ICANT who you are now already calling 'Pastor'. If you want to make progress with this little journey of yours you need to take a couple of steps backwards and squint a little. Use that essential journalistic feature he didn't tell you about, independence of thought and position.

I am talking with ICANT, who actually is a Baptist Pastor, by the way..in the context of discussing my religious beliefs. I am not coming at him as an unbiased journalist who is questioning his beliefs. Granted you would do that...which is fine. It is good to have an open mind. In the context of a discussion between ICANT and myself, however, the qualifier which we have in common is that we both believe that God exists and that the Bible is, as you yourself would say, the written record of our belief.

Tangle, speaking of ICANT writes:

He's already lied to you by telling you that the omitted 6th feature of good reasoning is covered by his fifth of the occasion which is absolutely wrong. The requirement to ask oneself WHY someone is telling you something and telling you it NOW gets to the agenda of the speaker and asks about his motivation. It's a skeptical question - consider your source.

Perhaps he is not lying. Perhaps he was only taught five things. I know that I was taught the same 5 things from a parishioner in the church I used to attend. You may well expand your argument and claim that all of Christianity lies to its flock if it tells them not to be skeptical and unbiased, but that's another topic. Keep in mind that a Pastor is not going to tell his flock to be skeptical. He likely would quote 2 Timothy 3:14-17.
But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
As I get to develop my conversation with the Pastor I may ask him certain questions pertaining to "why" but I'm not going to throw down and question if God exists or why I must be under church authority. If I were to call you Pastor Tangle, I may well ask why you dismissed church and told us all to go fishing, but then again, maybe I would not ask why.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 6 of 92 (845228)
12-13-2018 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Tangle
12-13-2018 2:33 PM


Four degrees Of Kevin Bacon
Tangle writes:

And yes, ICANT is a pastor, and I have 4 degrees in 4 different subjects but so what?

It means that you read at least 4 books! ICANT read only one.
Tangle writes:

On these boards he's just another guy with an opinion that needs challenging critically.

Which is why we have this peanut gallery thread.
Tangle writes:

And what's more he's demonstrated that he's disingenuous and ill-informed - this isn't church.

In the confines of the Great Debate, it is as if I am in church asking the pastor some questions. If he comes across to me as disingenuous
Google Dictionary writes:


not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
insincere dishonest untruthful false deceitful duplicitous lying mendacious hypocritical

I will address it. Until then I will continue asking questions.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 11 of 92 (845333)
12-14-2018 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by ringo
12-14-2018 11:26 AM


Birds Of A Feather
To be honest, we are birds of a feather only in that we both believe that God exists and that the Bible is the final authority. I even question that sometimes, but I would prefer not to allign myself with the critical thinking atheist/agnostic/humanist crowd who thinks the way you do. Talk about parakeets! You guys all get along in the cage! The Pastor favors gun laws..I question them. The Pastor is part of a conservative denomination whereas I am more of a moderate. The Pastor is a staunch believer in Genesis 1 as am I. I believe that in the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. The entire Universe and any subsequent Multi Verses that may someday be proven.

I also believe in John 1.

John 1:1-2 writes:


1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. NIV

Apart from that, I do not believe that the Bible is word for word literal. I believe that it is metaphorically and thought for thought God-Breathed, however. Were I to throw it away as just another book or ancient book of fables, I would have no standing with which to base my belief in Jesus Christ...apart from my inner certainty that He lives.

We have discussed this stuff to death and back to resurrection again.

You tell me that only the basic message is important. So what think ye about Genesis 1 and John 1:1-2? Are they as important or inspired as your precious Matthew 25:31?

And lets keep this discussion limited to what ICANT and I speak about in our discussion. (Except you can answer me)

ICANT is a Baptist Pastor. I am specifically seeking a conversation with a Pastor.

Not a Contrarian from Saskatchewan.

Edited by Phat, : sub title


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 12 of 92 (845334)
12-14-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Tangle
12-13-2018 4:23 PM


Don't Squeeze The Sharmin.
I think you must mean Shaman.
Google Dictionary writes:

a person regarded as having access to, and influence in, the world of good and evil spirits, especially among some peoples of northern Asia and North America. Typically such people enter a trance state during a ritual, and practice divination and healing.

I dont look to any man as having powers any greater than I do. Even the Independent Baptists that ICANTs church belong to have these rules:
GotQuestions writes:


  • Independent Baptists interpret Scripture literally. They do claim to interpret based on the historical-grammatical context, but if a literal interpretation “makes good sense,” then that is the understanding they take from Scripture.
  • IFB churches believe that each believer has the ability to interact with God on his or her own. No one is required to use a priest, as in the Old Testament, to connect with God.
  • I believe the second point more fervently than the first, though I'm open to discussion about it. God is the final authority in my mind and heart...its just a matter of understanding and arriving at same.

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 14 of 92 (845336)
    12-14-2018 12:08 PM
    Reply to: Message 13 by ringo
    12-14-2018 12:04 PM


    Ringo Targets All Of Us
    You can say whatever you want in this thread then. Its gotta come out somewhere!

    Explain again why you don't claim to be an atheist yet state that God is fiction. I can't find the answer that you gave me once.

    ringo writes:

    Genesis 1 is demonstrably wrong about how it happened, so how can you trust its claims about who did it?
    John 1:1-2 is an obvious metaphor.

    Genesis 1 does not claim anything about how it happened...unless you mean that God is fiction. In which case if the shoe fits....

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 16 of 92 (845339)
    12-14-2018 12:19 PM
    Reply to: Message 15 by ringo
    12-14-2018 12:18 PM


    Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
    To be more precise, I think we are talking Genesis 1:1...but I'll ask ICANT.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 18 of 92 (845341)
    12-14-2018 12:27 PM
    Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
    12-14-2018 12:23 PM


    Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
    I do. I have no problem believing that God exists and has communion through Jesus Christ to whosoever accepts Him. I do have issues/questions with the rest of the book. If this gets me booted out of the club, I suppose im as lost as the rest of you.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 20 of 92 (845344)
    12-14-2018 12:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 19 by ringo
    12-14-2018 12:37 PM


    Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
    I believe that God exists and has always existed. I believe that He sent His son as a means to reconcile/relate to humans.

    Jesus makes God approachable.

    . If you're going to pick and choose the parts you like, you might as well make up the whole thing from scratch.
    The bottom line is this:

    Is God a product of the human mind or did He initially create it?

    If you are a Deist you might claim that He created the matter and let the natural processes carry on from that point.

    What does a skeptic like you believe? Is there a Creator of all seen and unseen. Yes or No.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 23 of 92 (845349)
    12-14-2018 1:01 PM
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    12-14-2018 12:50 PM


    Re: Ringo Targets All Of Us
    I didnt ask for a reason.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 37 of 92 (845430)
    12-15-2018 4:12 PM
    Reply to: Message 35 by ICANT
    12-15-2018 3:32 PM


    Re: Tangles Comment
    GDR writes:

    The Bible is clear that it is all about the heart.

    ICANT writes:

    Where?

    I think that what GDR means is found in this scripture:
    2 Corinthians 3:3.
    Also:
    Rom 2:13-16 writes:

    For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

    Granted this scripture also supports ICANTS position in that our thoughts can accuse and defend us. It seems clear that this supports the idea that it is what we do and think as well as what we believe. Ringo always emphasizes the message over "the messenger" but one can argue that without the death,burial, and resurrection of the messenger the message may as well have been written by a computer. The fact that ringo would argue that it still needs to be carried out even if no God existed is actually verified in this scripture:
    Rom 1:18-20 writes:

    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    Of course ringo claims that the message is important while the messenger isn't, but John 3:18 seems to challenge that claim. Which brings up the question: If one does all of the right things that Jesus commanded without believing that Jesus existed, where do they then stand?

    To be fair, God may have sent ringo to me to remind me that I'm not special just because I believe that I am saved. When ringo says things like "God is fiction" he challenges his own belief as much as allowing me to question mine.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 44 of 92 (845508)
    12-16-2018 2:33 PM
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    12-16-2018 1:43 PM


    Re: Tangles Comment
    Not bad preaching for a guy who doesn't believe in the messenger!

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 55 of 92 (845644)
    12-18-2018 11:18 AM
    Reply to: Message 54 by Tangle
    12-18-2018 11:04 AM


    The Good Samaritan Remix
    I read a good piece from the internet about the Samaritan Parable:
    GotQuestions.Org writes:

    The Parable of the Good Samaritan tells the story of a man traveling from Jerusalem to Jericho, and while on the way he is robbed of everything he had, including his clothing, and is beaten to within an inch of his life. That road was treacherously winding and was a favorite hideout of robbers and thieves. The next character Jesus introduces into His story is a priest. He spends no time describing the priest and only tells of how he showed no love or compassion for the man by failing to help him and passing on the other side of the road so as not to get involved. If there was anyone who would have known God’s law of love, it would have been the priest. By nature of his position, he was to be a person of compassion, desiring to help others. Unfortunately, “love” was not a word for him that required action on the behalf of someone else. The next person to pass by in the Parable of the Good Samaritan is a Levite, and he does exactly what the priest did: he passes by without showing any compassion. Again, he would have known the law, but he also failed to show the injured man compassion.

    The next person to come by is the Samaritan, the one least likely to have shown compassion for the man. Samaritans were considered a low class of people by the Jews since they had intermarried with non-Jews and did not keep all the law. Therefore, Jews would have nothing to do with them. We do not know if the injured man was a Jew or Gentile, but it made no difference to the Samaritan; he did not consider the man’s race or religion. The “Good Samaritan” saw only a person in dire need of assistance, and assist him he did, above and beyond the minimum required. He dresses the man’s wounds with wine (to disinfect) and oil (to soothe the pain). He puts the man on his animal and takes him to an inn for a time of healing and pays the innkeeper with his own money. He then goes beyond common decency and tells the innkeeper to take good care of the man, and he would pay for any extra expenses on his return trip. The Samaritan saw his neighbor as anyone who was in need.

    Because the good man was a Samaritan, Jesus is drawing a strong contrast between those who knew the law and those who actually followed the law in their lifestyle and conduct. (...)By ending the encounter in this manner, Jesus is telling us to follow the Samaritan’s example in our own conduct; i.e., we are to show compassion and love for those we encounter in our everyday activities. We are to love others (vs. 27) regardless of their race or religion; the criterion is need. If they need and we have the supply, then we are to give generously and freely, without expectation of return.

    One interesting argument that we have around here is whether this whole "saved" and "blood-bought" impartation from God makes believers a sheep category rather than a goat category.

    There are good people and bad people. Strong and weak. No matter what worldview they have. So tell me, Tangle--do you have any "good" Christian friends? If so, do you ever discuss religion and spirituality with each other or is that the same as discussing whether the flying spaghetti monster left any noodles for Santa Claus?

    Edited by Phat, : spelling


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 69 of 92 (845880)
    12-21-2018 2:56 PM
    Reply to: Message 65 by Tanypteryx
    12-19-2018 3:22 PM


    The Great Peanut
    Why are Phat and ICANT carrying on debates here?
    It's our way to carry on our debate with you included...without disrupting the actual thread. The idea is that you comment here about what is said there and we also can reply to you here.

    Or something like that. (Moose trademark)

    Edited by Phat, : spell


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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     Message 65 by Tanypteryx, posted 12-19-2018 3:22 PM Tanypteryx has acknowledged this reply

      
    Thugpreacha
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    Posts: 12800
    From: Denver,Colorado USA
    Joined: 12-30-2003
    Member Rating: 1.1


    Message 70 of 92 (845921)
    12-22-2018 4:33 PM
    Reply to: Message 63 by Tangle
    12-19-2018 1:14 PM


    Oh What A Tangled Web We Weave
    Awaiting your response to my mention of you (and ringo) in the Great Debate. I know you will tell me that I don't understand that you have no vendetta...you simply don't give it all much thought. Yet note how hostile you get towards ICANT when you rant about his arrogance. Would you be the same way towards God if he, in fact, existed according to all of the "ridiculous made up myths?"

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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