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Hi ringo Du!

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25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

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25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

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25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

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25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

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25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

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25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

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25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

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25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

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25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

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25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

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25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

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25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

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25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

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25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

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25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

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25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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I enlarged nations where you can read it. I also enlarged separate them so you can read it.The nations are judged and separated. Some nations will be sheep nations and some will be goat nations.The sheep nations will enter into a kingdom prepared for them.The goat nations will enter into the lake of fire.I enlarged the qualifications for being a sheep nation and a goat nation.God Bless,

Since people are judge individually, "all nations" refers to the individual people of all nations. It doesn't make any sense to condemn a whole nation - the good along with the bad - and exonerate another whole nation - the bad along with the good. If that were so, there would be no individual salvation. You'd be saved or condemned along with your nation, regardless of your own belief or behaviour.

Well, let's see.In the USA we do have a school lunch program but the nation is in the midsts of trying to curtail it so I guess this nation feeds at least some of our hungry kids even if it isn't all that well. (Ketchup as vegetable anyone?) This nation couldn't care less about providing drink to our own citizens as evidenced by Flint. As for strangers, we throw them out as we catch em and are talking about building a wall to keep other strangers out. The only time the nation clothes the naked is when we throw them in jail for indecent exposure and, though sometimes this nation tries to help the sick at other times we take away as many public health care programs as we can. And, unless you have a public defender, no one from this nation ever visits you in prison except the guards and the warden and I doubt that counts in this case.The big thing about the good ol USofA is that we insist on sending our troops around the world to kill brown people, take their food, their water, make them sick and naked and throw them in prison to be alone.That's got to be pretty goaty in the eyes of scripture.Which means that you, ICANT, and your whole congregation are doomed to the lake of fire for being citizens of this goat nation regardless of your personal beliefs.

OK so i'm only 3 hours late.

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Hi ringo But not all individuals will be judged at the same judgment.The rapture will occur. The saved shall be caught up in the air.
They will be judged and the marriage supper of the Lamb will take place. All of this will take place before the the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.The judgment of the nations will take place at the start of the kingdom (reign) on earth. To determine what nations will inhabit the earth during the 1000 year reign.After the 1000 year reign the devil will be loosed and will gather the nations to do battle against Christ and will come up against Jerusalem. Then will the Great White Throne Judgment take place.This is where all those who have not trusted God and accepted His free full pardon will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.There will be no saved people judged at this judgment.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

Hi Paul Sorry to disappoint you Paul but I will not be judged at the judgment of the nations.I will have already been judged at the judgment seat of Christ.God Bless,

Matthew 25 says "all nations". That means all people who are living at that time. It can not be divided by arbitrary "countries" as you claim and still be a judgement of individuals. Unscriptural - but still irrelevant. The people who are there will be judged individually, not by the artificial borders that they happen to live inside.

Yeh, they'll be the gun-totin', faggot hatin', Trump lovin', education avoidin', self-servin' good ole boys. Let's build a church.They look like born-again hell fodder to me.

I read a good piece from the internet about the Samaritan Parable: One interesting argument that we have around here is whether this whole "saved" and "blood-bought" impartation from God makes believers a sheep category rather than a goat category.There are good people and bad people. Strong and weak. No matter what worldview they have. So tell me, Tangle--do you have any "good" Christian friends? If so, do you ever discuss religion and spirituality with each other or is that the same as discussing whether the flying spaghetti monster left any noodles for Santa Claus? Edited by Phat, : spelling

Yes of course. Pretty much all the people I know would call themselves Christians of some kind. I live in a nominally Christian country so I'm surrounded by them. But of course hardly any of them actually go to church or pray outside of births deaths weddings and the occasional drunken midnight mass at Christmas.I don't know any Christian of the fundamental, evangelical kind like you see here and they couldn't possibly be a friend of mine. That sort of discussion doesn't really happen much - religion here is low key stuff that no one really talks about much; in my circles anyway. There will obviously be 'churchy' types around but as I don't mix with them, there's not much to say.Ha! I've just remembered that my best friend is a believing Christian that actually does attend church very occasionally. But he's the nice kind that is virtually a deist in his beliefs (which I regard as an atheist lacking conviction.) We hardly ever discuss it as he accepts all modern ideas too. It's just a little foible of his, not his whole bloody life like it appears to be for some.

So there are two judgement days? One for individuals and one for nations? How about one for atheists, one for Iowa alumni and one for rotarians? Can we have these too?

Hi ringo, Yes all the people living will be effected but everyone will not be in Jerusalem in order to be divided into sheep nations and goat nations.The criterion for this judgment is based on the help that was provided to Jesus brethren. Jesus entered the world through the linage of David so He is talking about the descendants of Abraham.Every person involved in this judgment does not have eternal life. But those of the nations who have helped the descendants of Abraham will have a second chance. Thus the sheep nations. You will notice there is no individual mentioned that is your assertion which is not supported by the text.

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1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Rapture definition

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The rapture is an eschatological term used by certain Christians, particularly within branches of North American evangelicalism, referring to an end time event when all Christian believers — living and dead — will rise into Heaven and join Christ.

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The scripture says those alive will be caught up in the air to meet the Lord in the air.The definition of rapture agrees.ringo disagrees, so what? Rant on but you nor I have any right to change what the word says.This catching up happens prior to the judgment of the nations which is right after Jesus returns with his feet touching the earth.God Bless,

Matthew didn't say anything about Jerusalem and neither did I. His physical lineage is not relative. Jesus considered all men an women as brothers and sisters. Note the story of the Good Samaritan. On the contrary, it is ONLY individuals that are mentioned. Countries don't feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit prisons, etc. (In fact, right-wing Christians tend to assert that those things should ONLY be done by individuals and NOT by governments.)

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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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1Thessalonians 4:16-17 talks about the second coming of Jesus. It is not a separate event. And it says nothing about the dead rising - so no, it doesn't agree with your definition of the "rapture". You're the one who is changing what the word says, as I have shown.

Hi ringo When Jesus comes back to earth where do you think He is going to return too?Why would Matthew mention Jerusalem?For that matter why would you? Especially when you seem to know so little of what the Bible actually says.Zechariah prophesied of the day of the Lord.

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Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

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14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

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14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

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14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

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The nations will be judged after this battle is fought. Jesus will then set His feet on the Mt of Olives.

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Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

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1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

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1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

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He will come in like manner as He left. I believe the passages above even puts Him on the same Mount if not in the same spot.After Jesus was taken up from them they returned to Jerusalem from the Mount of Olivet which is Olives. The Greek word translated Olivet comes from the word translated Olives and means Olives.Many of the nations are going to be gathered together to go against Jerusalem. Jesus will come and fight the nations subduing them. Not all nations will be fighting against Israel. Those who support Israel will be the sheep nations those who oppose Israel will be the goat nations. They will be judged at the judgment of the Nations. Jesus will then set His feet on the Mount of Olives and it will be divided creating a valley. I am a joint heir with Jesus that makes Him my big brother. You are my neighbor but you are not my brother to my knowledge.So everyone is not Jesus brother. If a person has not accepted the offer of a free full pardon offered by God through the death on the cross being born into the family of God they are not Jesus brother. You have ceased being obtuse and now have become daff. The US spends between 700 and 800 billion per year on poverty in the US.The US spends 50 billion per year around the world.Sure seems to me our country is trying to feed and clothe a lot of people.I want to make sure I don't misquote what you said so I have quoted the rest of the message verbatim.

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ICANT writes:

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The scripture says those alive will be caught up in the air to meet the Lord in the air.

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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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1Thessalonians 4:16-17 talks about the second coming of Jesus. It is not a separate event. And it says nothing about the dead rising - so no, it doesn't agree with your definition of the "rapture".

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ringo disagrees, so what? Rant on but you nor I have any right to change what the word says.

You're the one who is changing what the word says, as I have shown.

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I am going to capitalize some of the words in the quote and then comment below. The part of the quote I changed to green says this meeting takes place in the air. Jesus does not touch the earth so it is not the second coming. When His feet touch the Mount of Olives Zec. 14:4, that is the second coming. The large capital white text says the dead in Christ shall rise first.
The green text says they will meet the Lord in the air. In Message 58 I said:

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Rapture definition

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The rapture is an eschatological term used by certain Christians, particularly within branches of North American evangelicalism, referring to an end time event when all Christian believers — living and dead — will rise into Heaven and join Christ.

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The text in Red says "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds," them is the dead in Christ in the big white text.Those which are alive will be caught up with those that are dead in Christ.The text in green says that meeting with the Lord will be in the air not on the ground. This will take place a maximum of 7 and a minimum of 3 1/2 years before Jesus will set His feet on the Mount of Olives.ringo I love to debate as I was on the debate team in high school. Our FFA chapter comprised the entire team. We won many debates. I did not care whether I was on the affirmative side or the negative side of the point in question.But what you are doing is not even close to debating. It is not even close to arguing a point. You do not seem capable of reading and understanding what you read and being able to discuss it. I think that is just you being obtuse or daff makes no difference which it is I do not have time to be wasting trying to discuss something with someone who is being dishonest and not interested in the truth. So if your next post is as daff at the one I am responding too you will not have to worry about me answering another of your posts.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : spelling