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dwise1
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Message 360 of 381 (846998)
01-14-2019 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 355 by Percy
01-14-2019 1:31 PM


Faith writes:

Do you have any notion at all of what it's been costing us which is never mentioned by the Left since all they care about is getting fraudulent votes from uneducated people?


You're doing a fine job of providing an example of uneducated people on the right. Suppose you tell us what illegal immigrants are costing us. Provide your sources and math, by the way. Oh, horrors, that would require research!

While she's figuring out how much illegal immigrants are costing us (and why), she should also figure out how much tax revenue we're getting from them; eg, property tax (including when they rent), sales tax, gasoline tax, income tax (for which I doubt that they can get a refund), payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare (benefits for which they cannot receive).

Also, in Message 329 she claims: " ... OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GIVEN TO THEM FOR WELFARE AND MEDICAL COSTS NOT EVEN GIVEN TO CITIZENS ...". She needs to reveal what welfare and medicals costs those actually are (and how much they are) along with an explanation of why citizens cannot receive those same benefits.

She also needs to explain how non-citizens would be able to vote in our elections. Granted that each state runs elections in their own local ways, but I know what I need to go through to vote in California and based on that I cannot see how a non-citizen would be able to cast a vote.

Faith writes:

...while ignoring the corruption that exploits the cheap labor at the expense of Americans who would take the work if they got paid enough,...


You mean like the corruption of Donald Trump and all the illegal immigrants he employs at his properties? At salaries that don't interest most Americans?

Something just occurred to me. In the case involving Trump's New Jersey resort, management obtained fake IDs for their illegal workers, but then management keeps those IDs locked away in thus not allowing them to leave. That is a very common practice of human traffickers. Does this mean that Trump is also involved in human trafficking?

Edited by Admin, : Fix duplicated text in last quoted section.


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dwise1
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Message 376 of 381 (847475)
01-23-2019 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by Faith
01-20-2019 7:24 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
Now they come in needing free stuff from us, stuff that rightfully belongs to American citizens not foreigners.

What free stuff? And explain your repeated claim that they get it but citizens cannot.

What the hell are you talking about? We keep requesting information about your repeated claims and your explanation, but you always avoid the questions!


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dwise1
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Message 380 of 381 (847569)
01-23-2019 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:27 PM


Re: Why so much poverty driving people to the US?
If you stopped being exclusively buried in Leftist propaganda and listened to the truth from the other side for a change you wouldn't need me to explain such things to you.

The only thing that we need for you to explain to us is simply, "What the hell are you talking about?" You keep making wildly false claims that have no connection to reality, so we have to ask you to explain where your wild fantasies come from.

If you were to stop burying your head exclusively in Fake News Network propaganda and just look at reality with some glimmer of understanding the plain truth before you, then we wouldn't have to try to get you to actually think so that we could help you unwedge your head so that you could finally stumble out of the darkness.

For example, I've been asking you how illegal immigrants contribute to the system through taxes. Well, on that same page that JonF just pointed out to you on Message 378, https://immigrationforum.org/...migrants-and-public-benefits, we find that immigrants, both legal and illegal, pay hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes for public benefit programs that illegal immigrants cannot qualify for. On the state level, Arizona and Florida both estimate that immigrants pay considerably more into the system than they take out, which I would submit makes them self-supporting and not a drain of the economy by any means:

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How much do immigrants contribute to support public benefits programs?

Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public benefit programs than they take out. According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants paid over $328.2 billion in state, local, and federal taxes in 2014 alone. However, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for any of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help fund.

Additionally, a few states have completed studies demonstrating that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. A study in Arizona found that the state’s immigrants generate $2.4 billion in tax revenue per year, which more than offsets the $1.4 billion in their use of benefit programs. Another study in Florida estimated that, on a per capita basis, immigrants in the state pay nearly $1,500 more in taxes per capita than they receive in public benefits.


The Fake News Network is lying to you. Their intent is to scare you and to keep you scared so that they can control you. The truth shall set you free.


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