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Dr Adequate
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Message 7 of 381 (845393)
12-15-2018 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
12-15-2018 6:17 AM


So now the concept of "PC" has been extended to include finding missionaries annoying? OK, I guess everyone's PC now, especially those guys who live on North Sentinel Island.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 33 of 381 (845515)
12-16-2018 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by riVeRraT
12-15-2018 7:53 PM


You are being offensive, and on purpose too.

I'm being right. If that offends you, feel free to go tell "the PC police" how offended you feel.


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Message 65 of 381 (845620)
12-17-2018 9:38 PM
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12-16-2018 9:40 PM


You think you are being right. There is no objective evidence that you are.

There is objective evidence that I am. There is ample, widespread and convincing evidence that people all across the political spectrum are irritated by people trying to make converts to their faith, and that they have been irritated by this long before the concept of "PC" existed. You yourself would probably not relish spending ten minutes listening to an earnest Jehovah's Witness explaining why everyone in your church is going to hell. This is not because you are tainted with political correctness, this is because of human nature. Being proselytized to is embarrassing, like you'd feel if someone you found really unattractive was explaining to you at length why you should date them.

Classing this same irritation and embarrassment, when directed to yourself as a form of "political correctness" extends that term further than it will go.


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Message 69 of 381 (845625)
12-17-2018 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
12-17-2018 4:06 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Yes I gathered you've been stupidly supporting possible terrorists.

"Possible terrorists"? EVERYONE'S a possible terrorist, Faith, except maybe people in irreversible comas. Under that rubric you can hate anyone. The pro-life movement "stupidly supports possible terrorists", because any one of those embryos could possibly grow up to be a terrorist.

The only way this dumb phrase could have any significance is if refugees are significantly likely to be terrorists.

Faith, please list me all the deadly terrorist attacks committed by refugees since the Refugee Act of 1980. It won't take you long.

Some figures to think about. This year the Trump administration admitted about 22000 refugees, as the end result of a screening process that takes about 2 years.

For comparison, that's fewer than the number of people released from prison (not local jails, but proper straight-up prison) on to the streets every two weeks. Over a year the figure is about 640000.

So on the one hand we have 640000 people found criminal enough to serve time, and on the other hand we have 22000 people who have been investigated by the Department of Homeland Security and found kosher --- and also genuinely in need of asylum, Faith, they don't just check that they're not terrorists, they also check that they really are fleeing genocide, torture, religious persecution.

And for which group do you reserve your hysteria? Because they are possible terrorists?

Jesus does not teach us to expose our neighbors to terrorists.

But Jesus did have a little something to say about possible terrorists. He told the parable of the Good Samaritan. Just to remind you of the historical context, the Jews and Samaritans had a history of mutual hatred and bloody conflict in which the Jews had destroyed the Samaritan temple. And Jesus praised the good Samaritan who helped the Jew.

Please note that the Samaritan didn't have a Department of Homeland Security to screen the Jew for two years to see if he was a good Jew or a bad Jew. All he knew was that he was of the race that had persecuted and slaughtered his people. And he expended time and money helping him.

Compare and contrast your attitude to refugees. They have been carefully screened, they have been found worthy of refugee status, and no-one is asking you to help them with time, money, or anything else; but when you see someone like GDR who does help them (or their Canadian counterparts) you tell him that he is "an opponent of everything good in this world, Jesus' love above all".

Faith, GDR is following Jesus' teachings; he is following the example of the good Samaritan.

And you, Faith, you also have your own place in that parable. For nearly two millennia the Gospels have supplied us with a word for "religious" people of your kind, people who boast of their piety and religion but are cold-hearted hypocrites without charity or mercy.

That word, Faith, is Pharisee.


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Message 84 of 381 (845680)
12-18-2018 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Faith
12-18-2018 6:08 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
PC comes from Cultural Marxism ...

Ah yes, Cultural Marxism.

PC comes from Cultural Marxism which leads to totalitarianism.

Well does it? That's more than we know. Actual Marxism leads to totalitarianism, but remember the whole reason you guys had to start accusing people of "Cultural" Marxism was because they weren't actual Marxists. Can you show me an instance where this new thing, this "Cultural" Marxism has ever led to totalitarianism?

It's already implicit in the fact that we are soundly shut up by the "PC Police" if we transgress their categories ..

Oh Faith, have you been silenced again? It seems to happen all the time, judging by the way you never shut up about it. Sheesh do you ever listen to yourself?


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Message 91 of 381 (845689)
12-18-2018 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
12-18-2018 6:23 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
So I take it you couldn't find anyone killed by refugee terrorists? We're to turn away these victims of persecution and torture and rape on entirely theoretical grounds?

P.S: I am pleased to be able to tell you that just as not all Christians follow your version of Christianity, not all Muslims follow your version of Islam. (Also, not all refugees are Muslim, is it really necessary to point this out?)

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Message 92 of 381 (845690)
12-18-2018 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
12-18-2018 6:26 PM


Re: PC is simply a lie
The "humor" of pernicious ignorance.

Go listen to the video linked in the OP to hear a Russian comedian talk about the oppression of PC as the same as what he experienced in the USSR.

How can I possibly listen to it? Since PC is just the same as the USSR, the video has been taken down by the totalitarian PC state, the comedian has been sent to a forced labor camp, and you have been declared insane and incarcerated in a high-security mental hospital for recommending that I watch it. Even now the PC-KGB are knocking on my own door, but I plan to put all the blame on you and maybe Percy.

Sheesh, Faith, just as you are free to talk endlessly about how you've been silenced, he is free to whine endlessly about how he's oppressed. No-one gives a damn. So far as I know we're the only people who care even a little bit what you say (and if you stopped posting here we'd stop doing that) and we have not in fact put you in a gulag for saying it.

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Message 119 of 381 (845750)
12-19-2018 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by riVeRraT
12-18-2018 11:33 PM


I couldn't agree more. That's why the way I share my faith is by loving people and not talking about it unless they ask.

SO how are you offending people? Be precise.


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Message 120 of 381 (845751)
12-19-2018 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
12-19-2018 1:51 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Speaking for myself, this does not represent my point of view. Any Muslim could be a terrorist, and could become a terrorist at any point even if not at the moment.

And so could everyone else. What we need to ask is how often this actually happens among refugees and how this compares to other groups such as, I dunno, conservatives.


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Message 207 of 381 (846128)
12-29-2018 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Faith
12-28-2018 1:58 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
You are ignoring my one simple point: The written documents of Islam directly address the reader with commands to murder infidels. That does not exist in the Bible or in any other religion that I know of.

If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock.

Deuteronomy 12:13-15, Faith. And unlike the bits of the Qur'an that give you conniptions, that's not taken out of context.

And besides, how many Christians do you know who have taken such a command from the Bible and shot up a crowd or drove into a crowd or did a suicide bombing as if commanded to do so?

Historically, lots of Christians have killed for Christianity. If fewer do so now it's because people don't believe so much any more --- no-one cares about usury any more, or thinks of giving all their money to the poor, or worries about voting for a man who has based his life on the Seven Deadly Sins rather than the Ten Commandments. The very good and the very bad of Christianity have alike drained out of society, leaving only a gritty residue of scientific ignorance, spiritual pride, and homophobia.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 208 of 381 (846129)
12-29-2018 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Faith
12-28-2018 1:42 PM


Re: No one?
I see. So one has freedom of speech even if Antifa is beating your audience to a pulp and spraying mace in their faces, to the point that the speaker has to be hurried out the back door and never gets to speak at all. That's freedom of speech according to the Left I guess.

That's illegal according to the Left.

You should guess less often.


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