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Message 16 of 381 (845447)
12-15-2018 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by riVeRraT
12-15-2018 7:52 PM


Oh, but it is true.

Quite often someone is called "non-PC" specifically because of their callous insensitivity to the human condition.

Edited by AZPaul3, : spellin


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Message 48 of 381 (845588)
12-17-2018 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
12-17-2018 1:55 PM


It's "callous."

Fixed it.

Thank you.


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Message 187 of 381 (845882)
12-21-2018 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Thugpreacha
12-21-2018 9:01 AM


Re: No one?
He may claim that free speech should be preserved even if it offends someone.

And so it is. Right here. Today.

Remember "free speech" is an ideological/legal constraint on government action against social and self-expression either verbal or symbolic. At least in the USofA the government cannot seek to punish anyone for their speech (except in strict highly specified cases where bodily injury is immanent). This applies to all levels of governance from federal thru the local school board.

This legal restriction DOES NOT apply to individuals, corporations, social groups or anyone, anything, outside the circles of government. These entities, us, are free to protest, jeer, shout down, interfere, interrupt, disrupt or just plain make a complete asshole display of displeasure towards the speaker whomever, where ever, when ever we so choose, without the interference of ANY governing body (again, legally constrained when harm is immanent).

We hear often how right-wing demagogues are so hounded on a school campus that they cannot give their talk and are thus denied their "right to free speech".

I submit that this IS the right of free speech in action. Free from government interference but with the full force of social opposition in all its glaring glory. You have a right to speak without being thrown in jail. You have no right to speak free from social backlash and opposition, even disruptive opposition. You have every right to give offence and to take offence and to express yourself accordingly, individually or in a group, always mindful that opposition, often loud and disruptive, may be right around the corner.

PC is a social movement counseling personal and group restraint on being everything from deliberately nasty/violent/bigoted to unknowingly insensitive towards each other. This is most often applied to identified groups that share some point of mutual identity that some other groups find vehemently objectionable such as LGBT, Native Americans, African Americans, gingers and the list grows longer.

PC is nothing more than "do unto others ..." If that offends someone, so be it.

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Message 196 of 381 (845900)
12-21-2018 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by riVeRraT
12-21-2018 6:40 PM


Re: No one?
It's becoming more and more of a conversation.

As well it should.

This, along with the NAZIs, needs to be openly discussed on the national stage for all to see. Only an informed society can best determine how to react to political opinion whether that be NAZI hate speech or limiting the First Amendment to, somehow, limit speech we just don't like. We can only know the vile philosophy of the NAZI by hearing their hate speech. By legislating speech we drive it underground where it will fester and burn. At least in the open other movements in society can constantly throw water on hate groups.

Hopefully this society can realize that if we can limit the hate speech of the NAZIs we can limit the very uncomfortable speech of Black Lives Matter and Planned Parenthood, as well. And the poor christians with their persecution complex ... is not saying Merry Christmas a form of hate speech? More than a few christian legislator's, especially at the state and local level, may not disagree.

One of the big experiments in this country is to make the freedom of speech, and the demonstrations of opposition to what is said, absolute. Well, as absolute as we can without allowing them to incite immediate violent action.

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Message 212 of 381 (846351)
01-04-2019 6:36 PM


This seemed appropriate here.


  
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Message 223 of 381 (846545)
01-08-2019 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Faith
01-08-2019 2:21 PM


Re: No one?
there is no right wing violence ...

Wow.

When you go into your fantasy world, you go all in, dontcha.


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Message 228 of 381 (846550)
01-08-2019 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
01-08-2019 5:18 PM


There is no such violence by the right wing and if you've offered any evidence it's behind a link and I'm not going there. Quote it. Not generalities, specifics.

My girl comes out swinging.

But, you are well able to do your own research. You certainly have the equipment and the (screwed-up, miss-wired) intellect.

Oh, m’love, Regardless of ideology or worldview, the evidence is quite clear the right-wing is rising once again on this planet. And as in generations past, they are coming out violently.


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Message 231 of 381 (846556)
01-08-2019 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
01-08-2019 5:45 PM


Ooo, that tongue! You have such a way with words.

It sits deep in the bowels of society for a generation or two (if we’re lucky) and becomes so infused in some corners of society that even the most wonderful little old ladies get absorbed.

What, you think you are high enough in the hierarchy to get yours over our dead bodies or what?

Well, that is one way to accomplish some things. We’ve had to go there before and, most unfortunately, looks like we’re going to have to go there again. Just gotta hope the damn bastards don’t take too damn much of the world with them.

If we’re going to crush them, the sooner the better. That’s just a practical thing. Limits the additional damage the planet would suffer on top of what we’ve already done to it.

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Message 237 of 381 (846564)
01-09-2019 2:09 AM
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01-09-2019 12:17 AM


Can't make any sense of what you are saying.

Sorry for being so opaque, M'lady.

I was speaking about the insidious nature of the fascist violent values of the right-wing and what this world has had to do in the past to put them back down.


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Message 266 of 381 (846601)
01-09-2019 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Percy
01-09-2019 11:55 AM


I hope everyone in the discussion objects to violence as a means of achieving political objectives.

Ok, I give you that, but, smashing a Nszi in the face just for being a Nazi can be quite satisfying.


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Message 292 of 381 (846648)
01-09-2019 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Faith
01-09-2019 5:12 PM


the violence in relation to the current political situation is all coming from the Left.

If that's true that would mean the proud boys are on the left and I don't think that's right ... eh ... correct.

If them proud boys aren't on the right then who is? We already know they're violent and feeling empowered by the current political situation. Is there some reason you don't count them?


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Message 297 of 381 (846653)
01-09-2019 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by JonF
01-09-2019 5:51 PM


Faith's occupied digging up the goalposts for the next move.

You know, I did notice that someone moved the goalposts from the Ravens stadium in Baltimore over into Levi Stadium for the Bama-Clemson game. You know, the ones with the magnetic uprights that attract footballs.


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Message 306 of 381 (846709)
01-10-2019 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Faith
01-10-2019 9:12 AM


If them proud boys aren't on the right then who is?
I never heard of them before this thread.

That's a bit difficult to understand.

It may be because the only sites you research are right-based left-bashing sites.

You, m'lady, need to peruse other more neutral news/opinion sites for the bigger picture.


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Message 309 of 381 (846724)
01-10-2019 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by Theodoric
01-10-2019 9:50 PM


Re: Troll
No, I don't think so. I think she actually believes this crap. She's not just spewing this to get a reaction. When you rely on only limited sources from only one end of the spectrum you will accept the lies, indeed, you will embrace them. No need to listen to a moderate conservative, moderate middle viewpoint let alone let something ... ick ... liberal, get within earshot.

Problem is there is a pattern here with my lady love. She does the same thing here that she does with her religion. There apparently isn't enough hate coming from her religious beliefs, she has to go look into the society in general to find more to feel comfort in. They have become intertwined.

I think the lady is truly and firmly planted in the alt-right.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Edited by Admin, : except => accept in first para; grammar fix in second sentence of second para.


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Message 342 of 381 (846854)
01-12-2019 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 341 by Faith
01-12-2019 3:29 PM


How many hundreds of thousands and millions of illegals do you think America can afford to have "compassion" toward?

As a christian you should be able to answer this as "All of them."


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