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Message 22 of 381 (845470)
12-16-2018 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
12-15-2018 6:17 AM


PC is simply a lie
Interesting topic but of course it's only going to be trashed by the EvC crowd. They simply refuse to get the point that this is a totalitarian tyranny against freedom of speech and insist that it means exactly what you are protesting: racism, xenophobia, all the PC categories. So you can't say you want to build a wall on our southern border or that some of the people crashing the border are undesirable, that's racism. They don't care what you mean, it's racism because that's what PC says it is. And they are never going to cop to that, there's some kind of mental barrier where such recognition exists in a normal mind.

The thing is PC is always a lie, it is not what they say it is, it is not simply a concern for people's feelings, it's a twisting of reality to assassinate the character of anyone on the opposite side of the political fence. So all the Democrats can say exactly what Trump has been saying about the need for a wall and the negative effects of all the illegals crashing our border, which they all did back in 2006, but if Trump or his followers say it that's racism. That's how it works. It's a political weapon, it has nothing to do with actual racism or anything of the sort.

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Message 24 of 381 (845476)
12-16-2018 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
12-15-2018 6:17 AM


The PC police are ruining this world.

Yes they are.

I believe they are trying to accomplish something that can never be accomplished.

Depends. If they sincerely just want to avoid offense maybe so, but the fact is as I say above they invent offenses that don't exist, they call statements racist that aren't, or xenophobic or sexist or whatever is the chosen PC term, and in that case they may very well be accomplishing their aim, which IS to ruin this world. Most may not know it but PC comes from Cultural Marxism which was very definitely out to destroy Western Civilization. It had to be the devil himself who gave them their method, it's truly diabolical and almost supernaturally effective at intimidating people Soviet style just as your clip aims to show.

Short story, when I first felt the Holy Spirit I felt something so amazing, so wondeful, so full of love that I wanted to share it with everyone. I wanted to be like Jesus. Offending people was the last thing on my mind. Well I got a big wake up call as I proceeded the next few years trying to share that love. I found myself offending people with it (especially here). The people being offended probably weren't being offended by me per-say, but by their pre-conceived notions and ignorance of where I was coming from. I found out that you can never be non-offensive.

Quite true. Even sharing a beautiful experience is rejected as offensive. It wouldn't be true of other beautiful experiences though, only a Christian beautiful experience, which ought to hint at what this is really all about at bottom. It is set up so that Christians and conservatives will always be offensive no matter what because this is at least political and at bottom spiritual.

Having said that, and having gone through years of trying to be non-offensive I have decided that being PC or non-offensive is mentally impossible. I think we would be better well served as a society to teach people how "not to be offended".

No doubt but they don't want that to happen either, the principalities and powers I mean who are behind it. Their aim is ultimately to bring down Christianity though their surface aim is against Western Civilization, which of course was a product of Christianity, which is denied but it was. You've said you don't identify with Christianity as such, which I think is too bad because that's what this is all about. And they are getting away with it because the churches have been compromised and getting weaker all the time, which is also the work of the principalities and powers. We can't fight them if we are all scattered lone rangers because our weapons are from God, "not carnal but mighty in God for bringing down strongholds and everything that exalts itself above the knowledge of God." I suppose I'm losing you with this but oh well.

Here is a short clip (yes it is Fox news, suck it). It is an excellent clip showing the state of the PC world and where it is heading. https://www.google.com/...ider.foxnews.com/amp/article/64469

Exactly, PC is totalitarian. It is aimed against whatever is left of this world that so far hasn't succumbed to one or another of the totalitarian ideologies, mostly the West, it's a battering ram.


Teaching people how not to be offended is a much better path for us, change my mind.

I'm sure you're right but I don't think you are recognizing that this is a spiritual battle that is beyond such a method as merely "teaching people not to be offended." Nothing short of a massive reformation and revival of the churches could help us.

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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Message 27 of 381 (845496)
12-16-2018 2:05 PM
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12-16-2018 1:49 PM


For myself, people telling me of their 'beautiful' religious experiences is not offensive - it's embarrassing.

But that isn't what you said earlier, in Message 2 and Message 17 where you said RR was "forcing his beliefs down people's throats" and "assaulting" them with his beliefs. Pretty offensive it seems to me, not merely embarrassing.


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Message 28 of 381 (845497)
12-16-2018 2:08 PM
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12-16-2018 2:01 PM


I didn't assault anyone, no more than a transgender has assaulted the world with their beliefs.

I've never met a transgender person who told me how wonderful it is to be transgender and encouraged me to become transgender. Christians do it all the time.

They do it by denouncing you if you don't believe transgender is a normal condition, or even suing you in some circumstances. That is certainly an assault on a person, or focing an opinion down someone's throat.


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Message 30 of 381 (845502)
12-16-2018 2:21 PM
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12-16-2018 2:13 PM


They set you up to offend by giving your opinion and then they denounce you or sue you for it. Like gays setting up a bakery to deny them a cake for a gay wedding and then suing them for refusing it. That's the tactic. It is not a simple matter of avoiding offense at all.
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Message 42 of 381 (845567)
12-17-2018 1:49 PM
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12-17-2018 9:51 AM


Re: Respectful Offense
"Offended" and "PC" are just terms that have replaced the basic notion of dealing with other people for centuries (millenia?) - respecting others.

No.

Respect for others needed no new form, certainly not the tyrannical oppressive form of PC. And that is what it is. It comes out of Cultural Marxism's Victim Politics or Identity Politics, and it is a tool for destroying personal freedoms, controlling people Soviet style -- just as the Russian comedian says in the video clip in the OP -- enforcing conformity.

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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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Message 43 of 381 (845568)
12-17-2018 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by AZPaul3
12-15-2018 8:03 PM


Quite often someone is called "non-PC" specifically because of their callus insensitivity to the human condition.

It's "callous."

And you're wrong, of course, just the usual false rationalization.


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Message 45 of 381 (845582)
12-17-2018 2:39 PM
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12-17-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
It is astonishing to me how all of us on the Right experience this a hundred times a day but those on the Left don't know it exists. This political/philosophical chasm is beyond anything that could be illustrated with an example or two.
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Message 47 of 381 (845587)
12-17-2018 2:59 PM
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12-17-2018 2:52 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Trump wants to build a wall on our southern border.

He's denounced in hysterical tones as a racist and xenophobe. And his supporters are beaten up in the streets for wearing a MAGA hat, and while attending right wing events, as racists and xenophobes for simply being his supporters. This is called "antifascism" though it is in fact an expression of fascism. It's tyranny based on PC lies.

This despite the fact that Democrats are on record talking about the illegal immigrant problem in terms very much like Trump's from 2006. I heard this on the radio yesterday, don't know if it is to be found on the internet. Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein...

I don't know if this is the best, it's the first that came to mind. It looks to me like the beginnings of a totalitarian tyranny if it is not somehow checked.

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And of course there's the case of Christian businesses being asked to provide special services for a gay wedding, which Christians cannot do because gay marriage is a violation of God's law. When they say, extremely politely, that they cannot do that but the customer is welcome to anything else they provide, they get sued as homophobes and violators of civil rights, fined huge fines or driven completely out of business.

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Message 50 of 381 (845591)
12-17-2018 3:12 PM
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12-17-2018 3:05 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
I wouldn't bother pointing that out, it's irrelevant. It's the problems that he wanted to identify and he identified them, and they were also identified by the Democrats back in 2006 too.
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Message 53 of 381 (845598)
12-17-2018 3:42 PM
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12-17-2018 3:26 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
That is an absolutely insane misinterpretation of Jesus' teaching. Insane and evil. What, you want six billion people to come here because we have a prosperous nation and they don't? That's insane and a violation of loving the citizens who are already here. May the billions all come camp on your doorstep. If you want to help those billions get out of your cushy Canada and go help them where they live. Their problems start with corrupt governments. So they want to come here and corrupt ours too and you think that's fine? Your crazy misreading of the Bible has crazy repercussions in the real world. There are 77 countries in the world that have border walls, 62 of them built since 1990. This is a real problem in the world these days and attitudes like yours are making it worse. You and everybody who thinks like you should leave the hard-won prosperity of the West, won because of our Protestant Christian heritage. That's what the billions need, they need the Christian worldview, they need the gospel Go spend your lives helping the billions where they live. Instead you want to destroy the goodness they are attracted to. You're insane. Crazy. Hating your neighbor too.

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Message 54 of 381 (845599)
12-17-2018 3:58 PM
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12-17-2018 3:16 PM


Re: Respectful Offense
Please, go live in Mexico.
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Message 55 of 381 (845600)
12-17-2018 3:59 PM


And this discussion does not belong on this thread anyway. Take it to the Right News thread.
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Message 58 of 381 (845603)
12-17-2018 4:06 PM
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12-17-2018 4:01 PM


The real dangers of Islam
I apologize for the angry denunciation I first wrote in this post. I understand that your motives are good even if I see the situation differently so I'm going to rewrite it:

The problem is that Islam itself contains the seeds of terrorism even though most Muslims are not likely to become terrorists, and that means that you can be exposing others to terrorism without intending to, even if that means it could be years before a jihadist is born into that family. All it takes is one Muslim to be inspired by the violent parts of their religion and feel called to live that life. If that is a real danger, and from what I've read about Islam it is, then it's not loving to support such a possibility. Islam is a dangerous ideology even when its followers don't show any signs of following its worst teachings at the moment. We've even got Christians in the US who turned a church into a mosque out of a misguided idea of Jesus' love, which is in reality a slap in the face to Jesus. These things are not Christian in spirit even if well intended through ignorance.

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Message 59 of 381 (845604)
12-17-2018 4:12 PM
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12-17-2018 4:02 PM


I was answering Stile and I shouldn't have. His questions belong on the other thread too.

But I have to leave the public computer for now. Good thing too because this upsets me so much.

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