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ringo
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Message 421 of 444 (905931)
02-05-2023 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 403 by Phat
02-05-2023 9:43 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
Phat writes:
Do you want to know what your counterpart fables are to our "Bronze Age Myths? Try Star Wars. Try Star Trek.
You're not that stupid. You know nobody believes Star Wars or Star Trek. In fact, we put them on the same level with Jesus and Noah.
Phat writes:
You all naively hope and expect that humans will ditch old time mythos and adopt brand new godless and hopeful mythos.
Wrong again. Nobody wants to replace Jesus with Luke Skywalker. Do you think at all?
We want to rid mankind of belief in ALL myths.
Phat writes:
My argument is that for all realistic purposes, the new "mythos" is no better than the old "mythos".
You have no argument. There is no "new mythos". See above.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 422 of 444 (905932)
02-05-2023 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by Phat
02-05-2023 12:14 PM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
Phat writes:
Satan sure fooled you!
You should read the Bible. Almost everything you believe about "Satan" comes from Milton.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Theodoric
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Message 423 of 444 (905935)
02-05-2023 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by ringo
02-05-2023 1:56 PM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
And Dante Alighieri

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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riVeRraT
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Message 424 of 444 (905978)
02-06-2023 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 400 by nwr
02-04-2023 10:54 PM


I was talking about science, you are talking about mathematics, what is your point?

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riVeRraT
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Message 425 of 444 (905979)
02-06-2023 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 401 by xongsmith
02-05-2023 6:19 AM


Re: Rat finks in the belfry
Yes I know.

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Theodoric
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Message 426 of 444 (905980)
02-06-2023 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 424 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 10:29 AM


Creo self own
You just made his point for him.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 427 of 444 (905992)
02-06-2023 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 424 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 10:29 AM


I was talking about science, you are talking about mathematics, what is your point?
Is there a difference? Are you really so gone dumb that you think these are separate? Math is the tool. It is the language of science. They are inseparable.
And yes, 0% probability is not absolute certainty any more than 100% probability. But you have to understand math and science to understand why.
I don't think you have the capacity to comprehend. You have that religious screw loose in your head that keeps you from seeing reality.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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riVeRraT
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Message 428 of 444 (905993)
02-06-2023 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 402 by AZPaul3
02-05-2023 8:50 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
AZPaul3 writes:
First faith = stupidity, not confidence.
You are wrong.
SYNONYMS FOR faith
acceptance
belief
confidence
conviction
hope
loyalty
truth
trust
allegiance
assent
assurance
certainty
certitude
constancy
credence
credit
credulity
dependence
faithfulness
fealty
fidelity
reliance
stock
store
sureness
AZPaul3 writes:
Faith is the emotional hope something will happen by wishful thinking regardless of reality
That's your own self-serving definition.
When the best hitter on the team goes up for the winning shot and his teammates say "I have faith in you" it is solely based on reality.
AZPaul3 writes:
I realize you have problems with the difference. You know the superiority of science over faith.
I don't have problems at all. I have clearly stated that there are different levels of trust and faith.
One can even say the faith I put in God is the same faith people put in science. There are many people who take drugs who have no idea how the science works, or who is presenting it. That is stupidity.
AZPaul3 writes:
Your religion creates only war and bloodshed. Faith has yielded nothing but torture and pain.
Russia.
Men will be men. All the atheists in this forum who love to insult me, such as yourself instigate war on a daily basis. Don't feed me this bullshit.
AZPaul3 writes:
Then you do not have evidence. Subjective is your emotional judgement, not reality. Your emotion has no force in this world and means nothing to the operations of the universe.

That's right, Rat. Your emotions don't mean jack shit to this universe. Subjective means you have nothing.
In my conversation with chat gtp it was made clear that subjective evidence IS evidence. I see lot's of things happening all the time, I can't prove them and neither can you. So your "emotions" mean as much as mine.
AZPaul3 writes:
Of course I can. You are a religious nutjob.
I do not follow any specific religion, but I do believe in God and if you don't you shouldn't be starting wars. My belief in God has nothing to do with the topic.
AZPaul3 writes:
You are a religionist, Rat, and that means your intellect processing power, critical thinking skills and knowledge base are not just deficient but pose dangers to the rest of society.
Atheist 'mega-churches' taking root across US | Fox News
AZPaul3 writes:
You are an offensive person. You are a liar perpetrating your religion as an evil fantasy in the human psyche. History has shown your religious thought fosters nothing but schism, blood and torture for humanity.

As a purveyor of religious stupidity you are an evil offensive person and should be treated as such.
You don't know me, and stop pretending you do. It isn't very scientific of you. I have not intentionally offended anyone, and if you got offended it only proves my point that being taught how not to be offended has more value.
Also thank you for proving my theory of demonization. You do not have the right to treat me anyway based on your subjective emotions. Your entire message 402 is nothing but subjective. you are just another hypocrite, I am sure you are proud. You don't possess the skills to debate me on the topic so you have to use liberal debate tactics to try and win some argument that has nothing to do with the topic. You don't even know how to follow forum guidelines, why should I think you know how science works, or if you understand the difference between being offended, and learning how not to be offended?
Your posts do nothing to help society, you are the reason wars happen, not religion. Atheists churches are the evolution of the way men think, they inherently do not get along, and that is the reason for war. Not the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or God. Go take a look in the mirror, it says riVeRraT.
I really hope your next post will logically explain why teaching people not to be offended has more value than teaching someone how not to be offended. If you can't do that, then stay out of it please.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 429 of 444 (905996)
02-06-2023 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 412 by nwr
02-05-2023 10:40 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
nwr writes:
Scientists are mostly motivated by an intense curiosity.
The rest who are probably in charge of say, health rules for the entire world, are mostly motivated by money.

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riVeRraT
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Message 430 of 444 (905998)
02-06-2023 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 416 by AZPaul3
02-05-2023 11:06 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
AZPaul3 writes:
And since in science you receive the highest accolades for being right the scientist's biggest and best motivation is to be right.
This is a troublesome definition. I guess there is science, and there is the scientific method. Their biggest motivation should be to have the scientific method work properly.

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AZPaul3
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Message 431 of 444 (906001)
02-06-2023 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 428 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
Your posts do nothing to help society, you are the reason wars happen, not religion. Atheists churches are the evolution of the way men think, they inherently do not get along, and that is the reason for war. Not the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or God. Go take a look in the mirror, it says riVeRraT.
Talk about a disconnect from reality. You've really gone off the deep end, haven't you. All the work you put into that screed only to pop another inanity at the end.
Yes, yes, my atheist megachurch has a war council going and I have to go give numbers on how many babies we need for this years gala, Baby Fest 2023, come November.
The right wing in this country is so fuckin sick.
If you're offended then good. You should be. You are a prime example of how religion has poisoned the human psyche. You not only profess an asinine belief in fantasy you spread that disease in these forums.
Be gone evil one.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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riVeRraT
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Message 432 of 444 (906002)
02-06-2023 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 419 by ringo
02-05-2023 1:15 PM


ringo writes:
Zero probability just means there is no evidence. If evidence is ever found, the probability would go up.
We are way off topic.
I would love to debate this, but I don't have a good understanding of it. My initial thought is if P(E)=0 both P and E would have to be zero. As soon as E has a value, then P must have a value. In other words if we dream something up like say teleportation, who is to say that one day it won't happen?
Unless zero probability only represents present, and not future. If so, then it is not really applicable in determining if God exists or not.
I also found this web-site, but don't understand all the math.
Zero-probability events | They are not impossible
Maybe make a separate thread about it?
ringo writes:
You contradict yourself. You just said that zero probability would prove.
You are correct. Thank you for pointing that out.
ringo writes:
No such thing as "subjective evidence". It's right there in the word: evident. If it isn't evident to everybody, it isn't evidence.
Yet the phrase exists, is used in science, and there is a legal definition for it. It's why I never say "God exists". I can only say I believe God exists. I also believe that God designed it that way. However, lot's of things in the bible are not subjective and can be evident to everyone.
What does this have to do with learning how not to be offended?

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 433 of 444 (906003)
02-06-2023 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 429 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:10 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
riVeRraT writes:
The rest who are probably in charge of say, health rules for the entire world, are mostly motivated by money.
That must be why Elon Musk took the job making the health rules for the entire world.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Message 434 of 444 (906004)
02-06-2023 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 428 by riVeRraT
02-06-2023 11:05 AM


Re: Faith = Religious Stupidity
riVeRraT writes:
... you are the reason wars happen...
I remember when I started the Punic Wars. I wanted Hannibal to bring the elephants closer so I could see them better.
Good times....
I should have called AZPaul3. He likes elephants too. But the telephone hadn't been invented yet.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 435 of 444 (906005)
02-06-2023 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 420 by ringo
02-05-2023 1:38 PM


ringo writes:
If you're going to use definitions, at least get them right. Confidence is not the same as either trust or faith.
They are synonyms, I should have been more clear. The words are easily used in place of faith. I have faith in God, and on our money it says "In God We Trust", same thing. It's nit picking and goes beyond my point.
ringo writes:
Dynamite can actually move mountains.
Not by talking to it.
Matthew 17:20 He answered them, “for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you”
ringo writes:
No. Your love for your children would be easily demonstrable.
By who's subjective definition? Do you have some kind of absolute definition for love? Isn't this concept at the core of this topic, and why you can never "not offend anyone"?
Love for your children is 100% subjective.
ringo writes:
Well, in this thread alone you've demonstrated that you don't know the difference between subjective and objective - or the difference between confidence and faith.
Yes I have. What has happened is people have twisted my words.
ringo writes:
Some of us are capable of saying something stupid once in a while too.
I have no problem being put on top of that list if that's where you want to put me. The problem is the demonization of me to make anything I say wrong, and to give free rein to say anything you want to me. That is far worse that saying something stupid once and a while.

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