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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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Their biggest motivation should be to have the scientific method work properly. You know there is no one scientific method? There are a lot of them. Each one specifically designed custom for a specific project. Yes, they pretty much all follow a set of parameters, and peer review will determine if a specific method is appropriate to the experimental design being studied. In science, everything has to work properly in order to get it right. That's why there is a method. That's why there is a protocol for statistical analysis. That's why the design is set up as it is. If it is ALL done right then the scientist has reached the required minimum.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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ringo Member (Idle past 662 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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riVeRraT writes:
That doesn't make any sense to me. P is a function, isn't it? The value of P depends on E. P may be 0 for some value(s) of E, whether E is zero or not. My initial thought is if P(E)=0 both P and E would have to be zero. Compare f(x) = mx + b. When x = 0, f(x) is only 0 if b is also 0. It's forty-some years since i took a math class, so....
riVeRraT writes:
What does anything you have said have to do with learning not to be offended? It looks to me like you rose from the dead and started this thread just to be offended. What does this have to do with learning how not to be offended?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 666 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Is there a difference? Are you really so gone dumb that you think these are separate? Math is the tool. It is the language of science. They are inseparable. I just wanted you to explain it a little further, but you just resorted to insulting again. I would even say math is one of the tools of the scientific method, not "science". Science is subjective, requires faith, and the scientific method is not.
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Taq Member Posts: 10296 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Riverrat writes: One can even say the faith I put in God is the same faith people put in science. You could also say that the Earth is flat. Just saying a thing does not make it true. If you have to define faith in a way that makes it meaningless then there's a problem. When you can demonstrate that something is true using demonstrable facts then that isn't faith.
In my conversation with chat gtp it was made clear that subjective evidence IS evidence. It just shows that you determine the trustworthiness of what is said by how well it agrees with your already held prejudices.
Atheists churches are the evolution of the way men think, they inherently do not get along, and that is the reason for war. I find it fascinating that believers try to discredit atheists by making them look more like believers. It's the very definition of psychological projection.
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ringo Member (Idle past 662 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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riVeRraT writes:
They CAN be synonyms. And synonyms CAN mean exactly the same OR they can mean subtly different. ringo writes:
They are synonyms Confidence is not the same as either trust or faith. I look at synonyms as a warning sign. If there is a synonym for a word, be careful which one you use.
riVeRraT writes:
Not really. I believe you exist and I would trust you to fix my HVAC but I have no confidence in your thoughts outside your profession. Three different meanings.
I have faith in God, and on our money it says "In God We Trust", same thing. riVeRraT writes:
But not MY point.
It's nit picking and goes beyond my point. riVeRraT writes:
Neither can God. Go ahead, prove me wrong with prayer. ringo writes:
Not by talking to it. Dynamite can actually move mountains. riVeRraT writes:
Yes. Love is what you DO. Do you have some kind of absolute definition for love? Staying up all night with a sick child is love. Beating a child is not love. Saying, "I love you," is not love. Jesus defined it pretty clearly in Matthew 25.
riVeRraT writes:
I don't see why anybody would be offended by being loved. Or by NOT being loved, for that matter.
Isn't this concept at the core of this topic, and why you can never "not offend anyone"? riVeRraT writes:
See above.
Love for your children is 100% subjective. riVeRraT writes:
I don't believe in demons.
The problem is the demonization of me... riVeRraT writes:
I hesitate to mention the Talmud, Midrash, etc. since jar is back and he knows a lot more about it than I do... but Jewish thought emphasizes two (or more) sides to every issue. ... to make anything I say wrong... The Bible does too, to a lesser extent:
quote:So yes, I do point out the other side. riVeRraT writes:
Percy handles my reins. But believe it or not, I do censor myself once in a while. ... and to give free rein to say anything you want to me.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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Science is subjective, requires faith, and the scientific method is not. Only in your twisted little religious world. You missed the entire world of reality, didn't you? Science is your superior. Science drives faith to its knees and explodes reality into the light where you try to hide your gods. They are still missing.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18633 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
AZAntiTheist writes: I've got my gods stuffed under the mattress where they are quite safe. My only comment is that saying that Science is my superior is like saying Oxygen is my superior and Nitrogen isn't. Science is your superior. Science drives faith to its knees and explodes reality into the light where you try to hide your gods. They are still missing. Science may well be your superior. Perhaps your Mother Superior? The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Taq Member Posts: 10296 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Phat writes: My only comment is that saying that Science is my superior is like saying Oxygen is my superior and Nitrogen isn't. There are many believers and creationists in these discussions who tacitly admit that science is superior to their beliefs. They do this when they try to discredit science by calling it a religion. Funny how you never see scientists trying to discredit Christianity by calling it a science.
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ringo Member (Idle past 662 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That makes no sense. Except for the needs of biologicals, oxygen and nitrogen are roughly equivalent (in an Ideal Gas Law kind of way). My only comment is that saying that Science is my superior is like saying Oxygen is my superior and Nitrogen isn't. Science has no equivalentCome all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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