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See how I tried it with Tangle, and his response was to be SNIDE in his comments.
By what standard can you exclude the gospels, Acts, and Paul's letters as not being historical?
They were independent accounts of events that occurred in the first century and were extensively publicized.
If there was any credible denial of the events, they would have been brought up immediately and been effective.
Even enemies of Christianity of the time (your independent sources) did not deny many of the events that were reported.
So the standard is the same.
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