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Message 30 of 53 (862706)
09-11-2019 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
09-08-2019 11:28 AM

Re: Soopers Goes Gunless
Personally I think it is cowardly and deplorable not to fight theft. God tells me to pray for these thieves, but if I had it my own fleshly way I would get security to prosecute most of them. People need to be taught to obey the laws of society rather than flaunting their addiction and hurting the jobs of others.

I'm not sure about Colorado but in Texas the level of offense is based on pecuniary loss... the greater the dollar amount, the higher the charge. But it also has a stipulation that for any theft after two previous theft convictions, even if all you stole was a stick of bubble gum, its an automatic felony. If you don't offer real consequences there will never be any appreciable change. While I think its certainly a bridge too far, there's a reason why China has a low crime rate - because the consequences are often grave. Again, I'm not suggesting we start adopting medieval punishment but there simply has to be offered a reasonable deterrence. All human beings are motivated both by incentives and disincentives.

But even Texas stops at a State Jail Felony (4th degree). I think it should just continue on and on... play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you can't figure out that you should probably stop stealing shit after 4 convictions, then it goes to show that lax laws encourage criminality. What good is a law without effective enforcement?

As to the businesses that choose not to prosecute, let them. Its their right. But their customers should know that every dollar that is stolen in merchandise gets shifted on to the consumer via higher prices. And if Safeway, or whoever, decides to not makes a reasonable attempt, then boycott them into submission and take your business elsewhere.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 31 of 53 (862707)
09-11-2019 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by ringo
09-10-2019 12:25 PM

Re: Theft Affects Labor At The Bottom Line
So is making people so poor that they feel they have to steal.

Theft isn't synonymous with poverty. People steal shit because they don't care about you, society, or even themselves. And it denigrates the hardworking but impoverished people to think that they'd stoop to thievery. There's one social demographic that I see who fairly consistently refuses to steal or beg, despite their lower economic status and that is Mexican-Americans. They'd rather work their fingers to the bone to provide for their family than dishonor themselves and their family by stealing from others or rattling a tin cup with a hand that is perfectly capable of an honest day's work.

Its also pure nonsense that thieves steal because they're hungry... go to any store in America or Canada and see what kind of haul they usually get. Hint: Not bread, not formula for their starving infant. Its shit like cosmetic products.

Maybe the priority of the lunch line should be based on who's the hungriest.

... bless your bleeding heart, Karl. Nah, maybe the priority should be first come, first serve. The skinny, tweaked out meth head has too much meth in his system to be bothered to eat. He's interested in stealing something he can trade in exchange to feed his unending addiction. But, hey, to each according to their want, am I right?

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Message 38 of 53 (862731)
09-11-2019 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by ringo
09-11-2019 3:18 PM

Re: Theft Affects Labor At The Bottom Line
I didn't say it is. But there is a correlation between poverty and crime.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The workers don't get paid in food either.


Grab all you can? Yeah, that was how it worked until we invented the rule of law.

You insinuated that people grab all they can because of this terrible system of oppression that all but forces them to.

No, you're wrong. It's to each according to his need.

Yeah, that was an intentional play on words.

A society that can't provide for the needs of its most needy is a worthless society.

No, a society that thinks it should be spoon-fed from cradle to grave is a worthless society.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : Typo

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