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Phat
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Message 7 of 20 (849143)
02-26-2019 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by GDR
02-25-2019 8:15 PM


Jesus As Observer
GDR, I can appreciate your continuing efforts to somehow tie your beliefs in with current theories of physics, science, and cosmology. Tangle may consider us a bit odd, but I appreciate that he attempts to go along with it all and offer his viewpoint without the clutter that our "religious pin-holing" applies to the discussion. My contribution is a pet theory that I developed after I read about the Observer Effect in quantum mechanics. I basically came up with the notion of Jesus (as the only human being believed to exist through eternal time) being necessary as the "observer" that changed the essential nature of the behavior of all electrons during the formation of the universe as we know it. Am I as whacky as some of the newbies that post in the science threads around here?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 8 of 20 (849144)
02-26-2019 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Tangle
02-26-2019 2:19 AM


Creativity Within Evolving Minds
tangle writes:

We've quite literally only just started beginning to understand it...

And I can appreciate that our understanding need involve maths and physics. We can't simply make up stories without some basis of understanding the way that the hypothesis fit(s).
tangle,to GDR writes:

Basically you can invent anything here you like. But I'm not sure why you would.

GDR likes to tie his evolving understanding of science in with his dogmatic beliefs, as do I. It is ironic, but your input helps to cut through some of the clutter. Being unburdened with dogma frees up your mind.

Basically, I'm attempting to keep my idea of God existing and being understood through Jesus. I think that GDR is attempting the same thing, though perhaps in a different way than am I.

I don't want to lessen any respect that must be given to the maths in this discussion. The only comment that I would make is that there is a vast difference between knowing about something mathematically and knowing it experientially. (You also pointed this out)


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 10 of 20 (849148)
02-26-2019 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by PaulK
02-26-2019 7:46 AM


Re: Jesus As Observer
I'm just going with what I read in the theory. I don't have much of an understanding of quantum physics nor of the observer effect.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 12 of 20 (849150)
02-26-2019 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by PaulK
02-26-2019 7:59 AM


Re: Jesus As Observer
Perhaps I interpreted it in a biased fashion to conform to my preconceptions.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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