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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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so drastic that it is really impossible.
You misspelled "due to the mechanisms of evolution". You obviously know nothing about the magnitude of genetic changes. Almost all of them are teeny and weeny.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Yep, it took millions and billions of years because the changes are teeny and weeny.
Any changes that didn't result in a viable creature didn't get passed on A small percentage of them accumulated to produce "coherent new creatures". If you want to argue otherwise, show your math. Your argument from ignorance is irrelevant.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
millions of trials and errors then before any of it amounts to anything coherent at all
A few hundred thousand years is enough for significant changes.
And there is in fact no reason at that level of probability why anything coherent would ever emerge.
Show your calculations. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Differences in size, length etc., don't matter in my frame of reference which I would think would be obvious from the fact that I was clearly referring to ALL dog breeds. The basic shape is the same.
And the same as cats. Plus, humans and chimps are the same by your criteria. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
They are far more similar than dogs and cats. Your ignorant description of your fantasy notwithstanding.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Yeah, it's easy to find people as ignorant as you that will cheer you on. But here you are.
No, that's not at all what you said scientists would agree with.
You actually said this
All the changes are superficial, not much of a record for the ToE which should produce far more dramatic changes if species-to-species evolution were actually true.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Just like your bald assertion that the differnces are great.
But mine is true
quote: Chimps vs. Humans: How Are We Different? | Live Science
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
[qqs]and if the ToE were true the structure would change too.[/qs]
Not necessarily, especially if the environment didn't change much.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Differences in size, length etc., don't matter in my frame of reference which I would think would be obvious from the fact that I was clearly referring to ALL dog breeds. The basic shape is the same.
Except they matter when comparing chimps and humans.
Differences in size, length etc., don't matter in my frame of reference which I would think would be obvious from the fact that I was clearly referring to ALL dog breeds. The basic shape is the same as
Make up your mind.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You simply refuse to get the whole picture.
Oh, we get it. You can't stand being kin to no ape, so you have to deny the blindingly obvious.
All you and everybody else is doing is refusing to consider a different way of putting the facts together out of sheer prejudice in favor of the ToE.
We are prejudiced in favor of facts.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The bodies I have in mind are identical, not merely similar, except that they may vary in proportions: size and length and that sort of thing.
For example chimps and humans. Identical, not merely similar, except varying in proportions: size and length and that sort of thing. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Claws aren't structural.
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's apparent neither you nor your reference's author know what a nested hierarchy is. A cladogram is not one, and does not show the relationships embodied in a nested hierarchy.
A nested hierarchy can be defined as a grouping in which all subsets are completely contained within "parent" sets. Many creationists have tried to make a nested hierarchy of vehicles of various sorts. All have failed. Once you try to jam vehicles into a nested hierarchy of any noticeable size, you quickly find examples that don't fit. That's because vehicles (and pretty much any group of man-made objects) transfer features between groups constantly. Somebody invents a hydraulic disk brake on one model of car. Soon they're on trucks and all sorts of wheeled vehicles. Now they're on my son's high-end bicycle (and they're infinitely better than rim brakes). For example, Michael Denton in his first book:
See the problem? Can you fix it? Could you then show where the V-22 Osprey, a Diesel submarine, and an AAV-P7/A1 Assault Amphibious Vehicle would fit?
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's amusing when people say, "you don't understand this" then state some simple things I do understand
Can you show where these homoplasies would fit?
Thanks for confirming my claim. They don't fit in Denton's hierarchy, that's the point. Just as his hierarchy isn't nested because the subset "diesel" is not completely contained within one parent set. I've seen dozens of creationists try to shuffle and rename items to find any more than a trivial nested hierarchy of vehicles. And I briefly explained why they can't do it. Thus I predict the next one will also fail
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JonF Member (Idle past 330 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Duplicate .
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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