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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
I know this is old for most of this group but for those in the lurk-o-sphere who may not know:
If you understand what evolution actually does and how it does it and you really want to see a true example of a transitional between species all you need do is look in a mirror. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you understand what evolution actually does and how it does it . But you don't, nobody here does, you all have a lot of assumptions and imagination and can't possibly explain how you could get from one species to another. So you assert it and can't describe it at all, because it's impossible, you can only make absurd claims you can't prove. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I had the intellect in use for going on fifty years before I discovered the truth of Christianity, and now it's put to a better use than it was before.
It's all leftists here, and I'm not even sure what an alt-right is. Anyway it wasn't a sunny day in church that changed me, I was changed by reading a ton of books on various religions, all kinds of religions, and ended up persuaded by the Christian books. When I finally went to a church I'd been a believer for going on two years, and it was a couple weeks before Christmas, probably not a sunny day but I don't remember, and they were singing Christmas Carols and the truth of the words hit me like it never had in decades of hearing them before, reduced me to a waterfall of tears at finally really getting it. The pastor made some kind of snarky remark about how this was a season of joy which I knew was aimed at my sitting there being a waterfall in his pew. Oh Joy to the World THE LORD IS COME, LET EARTH RECEIVE HER KING and so on and so forth, and I would wish anyone that same experience, minus the pastor's inability to grasp it.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
AZPaul3 writes: These are devil words.
I don't see why. Oh, Mike. Come on, you're a religionists. You see the devil everywhere.
Are they devil words if we look at what makes a truck and a car steer round corners? To your cousins of 200 years ago, most definitely. They were ignorant of the mechanics so the default fallback explination was always the devil. Just like today when a religious person can not comprehend the science of cosmology, evolution, geology, synecology, speleology, zymology they always find satan in there somewhere, even masquerading as god.
If we find mechanics that may look, "transitional" in certain vehicles does this mean cars also evolved? Of course, Mike. You knew that. Take a look at a Model-T side-by-side with a Lamborghini Veneno. Obviously the latter evolved from the former. Any intellegent chimp can see that.
Gee, we would never expect that, after all I expected a spider to have echolocation when I compared it to a bat. And you were wrong ... again. And comparing a Indohyus with a Rodhocetus and a Balaenoptera just throws you into a tizzy doesn't it? BTW, if you care to go back to the cambrian 600+- million years ago we can compare spiders and bats (protostomes and dueterostomes).
Gee I would never expect any similarities whatsoever in things that swim, there couldn't possibly be any use in God designing swimmers with similar designs because they work in water. So that's why hippos and whales look so much un-alike? They both swim. And they are evolutionarily related and not all that far back. Your god didn't need to use any swimming similarities with these two. Seems evolution solved the problem without him. Good pick-up, Mike.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
... can't possibly explain how you could get from one species to another. Blind religion. The answer has been given to you many times but the scales cover your eyes. You do not want to see. Micro-evolution times 100's of thousands, millions, of generations. Presto, majico! From carnivora to felidae and canidae, from tiktaalik to republicans and democrats. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : Yes, M'Love, another late change. Still no leftist conspiracy, though.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
and the truth of the words hit me like it never had in decades of hearing them before, reduced me to a waterfall of tears at finally really getting it ...this was a season of joy which I knew was aimed at my sitting there being a waterfall in his pew. It made you nuts. A cranial short circuit. An axonic disconnect. Are you sure you weren't sitting on some exposed wires somewhere? What did this crowd feed you beforehand? Any pills, injections, hammers to the head? You think it made you happy? You could have been so much happier remaining sane, but seems a bit too late for that at this point. I know this breaks my bounds, but, in another life where you were not just smart but also sane, My Love, we could have been wonderful together. Such a cruel, cruel universe. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.7
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edge writes: mtw writes:
Very intelligent people often believe weird stuff. And I do not recommend presenting personal information here as some YEC will casually dismiss it. From my perspective have you any idea how tedious that is for someone with a high IQ and more knowledge than most evolutionists likely have? (I can show you my test scores if you wish) edge writes: mtw writes:
As I have said before, this is science, not philosophy. Yeah but you're wrong IMHO. It is slothful induction fallacy to pretend that a tiny percentage is proven "to the reasonable person". I am a reasonable person, I score 95% on university level logic tests, and close to 90% on all critical thinking evaluation tests. edge writes: mtw writes:
It's not quantifiable. It has to do with an open mind and critical analysis skills. There he goes again with "a reasonable person". What goal must I score through to count as a "reasonable person". edge writes: mtw writes:
But it's not 'critical thinking', it is simple criticism that you practice. All you do is criticize the theory of evolution. You don't really have an alternative that you support in this forum. I say that it's simply that my standard of reason is a higher standard of critical thinking. My test scores agree. Shouldn't a reasonable person accept what objective test scores say about my intellect? edge writes: mtw writes:
Well, you could have an open-minded conversation here. That would be an excellent start. Simple, adamant complaining about evolution isn't working for you. I don't know what else I can do to convince you that this creationist is indeed a high reasoner. Want my test scores for university level critical thinking and my scores for population genetics? I mean what do I have to do to convince an evolutionist I am a reasonable person? We all know the question is rhetorical because we all know the answer; become an evolutionist. This is what I like about going to scientific conferences, all the smartest people stand up and tell everyone how smart they are. Yeah right. Dunning-Kruger rides again.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Gosh the usual gobbledygook. Because you CAN'T describe how to get from one species to another, all you can do is assert it.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Gosh the usual gobbledygook. Because you CAN'T describe how to get from one species to another, all you can do is assert it. And yet you accomplished exactly that in the evolution of the "basic felid kind". To which your only response was to frantically try to redefine the entire world in order to avoid your own discovery. So now all you can do is to lie. So typical of creationists.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Faith it is not hard to find examples where you are failing to use your intellect correctly.
Let’s take a gentle example. I will repeat the question I asked in Message 253 quote: Please explain what makes it the “same order” and how that supports the Flood. Can you actually answer that ? Or are you making a foolish error because you haven’t bothered to understand what you are talking about ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 667 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mike the wiz writes:
You need to demonstrate your reason in what you post here.
You say "convince us that you can reason at all" even though I can provide evidence I know a lot more about reason that you. mike the wiz writes:
Until you get that up to 100%, my statement stands.
As for "reasoning away centuries of science" ... I accept genetic drift, speciation, allele frequencies. I in fact accept possibly about 85% of what mainstream science says. mike the wiz writes:
I have not claimed to be a good reasoner. I let my posts stand for themselves. So this shows that you are the poor reasoned....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Please explain what makes it the “same order” and how that supports the Flood. The fossils of course identify the order of the strata, carried on the water of the Flood and deposited in layers of course.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: Well you didn’t make the mistake I expected, but you forgot that the order of the fossil record - which is what you are talking about - can’t be explained by the Flood. So it’s not evidence for the Flood - it’s strong evidence against your version.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1699 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No I didn't forget and I knew you'd be right there to argue against my claim that the Flood could account for the order. Well, it must account for it and perhaps the main argument for that is the irrationality of the usual explanation. As I've argued at great length, you can't get a mammal from a reptile for instance, although that is the explanation for their relative positions in the strata/aka the fossil record. And the huge variety of trilobites over what are thought to be hundreds of millions of years just adds another kind of argument: there is no evolution over all those hmy, just variations on the Trilobite species/genome.
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