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Faith Member  Posts: 32898 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The trilobite body is always the same body plan which is what argues for its being one species.
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Faith Member Posts: 32898 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You would do well to dispense with the snark. I am not constrained by the ToE and that was the point as you well know. And if I see a trilobite that has a different body plan I most certainly will rethink it. I have nothing against the idea of there being another species that is similar but not a trilobite.
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Tanypteryx Member  Posts: 2310 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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What an odd thing to say. Why would you possibly think I don't "take into account" that these scientists are dedicated to science and knowledge and evidence? I read their books and papers for fuck sake.
If the ToE is ever shown to be incorrect it will not be by you. It will be done by scientists.
Yep, I know. Truth, ethics, curiosity, a life long quest for knowledge.
Really? I'm surprised.
Well, study never hurt anyone. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith Member Posts: 32898 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You are missing the point. If the ToE is wrong a lot of the study is going to be wrong too.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 2310 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
This is still a stupid argument. Insects always have the same body plan, but they are not all one species. And what the fuck is your point anyway? Why are you arguing so stubbornly for a position that is so silly? What difference does it make to you since you will never study them anyway? What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith Member Posts: 32898 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
It makes the trilobite one Kind and contradicts the ToE which is the big splitter, creating apecies where there are really only variations built into a species genome..
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 2310 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
What point? Data is being collected, observations are being made and recorded and often published. If it turns out the Toe is wrong, the data, the observations, the evidence will be how we know it is wrong, not because you say it is. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 2310 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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So? Sorry, I don't see how an unsupported argument contradicts the ToE. It's not like you have your own H.E. Gilbert Fossil Gene Sequencing Kit. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith Member Posts: 32898 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ALL insects? Dragonflies, beetles, ants etc? Or do you just mean all dragonflies, all ants etc? In the latter case I'd probably argue that they ARE all one species.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 2310 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Yep. Adult insects.
There are more details, but this only fits insects. The guys who study Trilobites will have a similar list of basic characters.
No one cares what someone who doesn't know ANYTHING says. You are not a taxonomist. You are a bullshitter and you have no credibility. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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PaulK Member Posts: 15370 Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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quote: Of course there is. The pattern of the tree of life is evidence, so are the transitional fossils that have been found. quote: Show your work, taking into account the transitional fossils which show evidence that the changes occurred. quote: In reality it is the explanation that fits the evidence. The really ludicrous idea is that a global Flood did it. That really is crazy. quote: Now there is the mistake I expected you to make when you were talking about the “same rocks†above. You managed to do better that time, but you just can’t stick to the truth. As you obviously know The strata were originally assigned to geological eras based on their fossil contents - where present. Not the sort of rock, because that varies by location. And, of course, there is nothing silly about working out when the material that became the strata was deposited. And again, the type of rock only comes into play where it is relevant through it’s composition or form (e.g. turbidites are deposited rapidly, shales are deposited slowly) quote: Of course we can. Geologists have been doing it for a long time now. Indeed, they discovered that certain fossils could be a quite reliable guide well before radiometric dating came in. quote: Except that they are often not as neat as you assume.
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PaulK Member Posts: 15370 Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
quote: In other words trilobites vary so much that they are obviously not a single species. As you know, wild species are not hugely variable. The variations in domesticated species are created and maintained by selective breeding. And obviously we should work on the basis that trilobites are wild species. The idea that they are a selectively bred domestic species is massively implausible. So, obviously - taking the evidence at face value - there are many species of trilobite. Saying otherwise is just silly.
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Tangle Member  Posts: 7067 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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A trilobite with a non-trilobite body plan would not be a trilobite. That's how taxonomy works. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Faith Member Posts: 32898 From: Nevada, USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
That's what I think too. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member Posts: 5473 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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H. E. Gilbert! Ah, memories.
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