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Theodoric Member Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
You are not entitled to your own definition. Your beliefs have no effect on reality and evidently reality has no effect on your beliefs. And no I will not shut up. I will continue to point out your falsehoods and misrepresentations. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Stile Member Posts: 4034 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.0
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Actually, there's plenty odd about any belief. Beliefs that have nothing to do with God are just as odd as those that do.
Relics like the cross? Or are crosses devoid of all power?
Got it. When you or those-you-approve-of do it, it's supernatural. You do know that both are seen as equally "odd" - yes? At least, by the average functioning members of first world countries. Everyone knows that crosses have a "more than normal" feeling about them - but that this comes from the cultural significance we put on them. They don't actually have any power. Just like Ouija boards. Everyone knows that praying is something we (as humans) do when we don't know what to do. Sometimes that leads to epiphanies that can lead to change. Sometimes it doesn't. The prayer itself doesn't have any power. Just like cheering on your sports team from watching the game at home.
I think you do a really good job of bringing the information of the side you're defending to the table. Like "defending" square wheels.
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edge Member (Idle past 492 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Faith, please consider: This is not a discussion. Take it from a person completely disinterested in this conversation that you have coopted this forum as your personal pulpit. All you really lack is a soapbox and a bullhorn. If you want to preach, this is not the venue for you.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 230 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I have mine, it's a historically valid definition. You all have the Rationalist anti-supernatural definition. There is no way we are going to agree and no way I'm giving in or you are giving in.
Therefore this needs to be considered an impasse and the topic brought to an end. Agree to disagree or just stop talking about it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16733 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
quote: But essentially your point is that you get to dictate what definitions are permitted. Obviously that is an unreasonable demand and you should give in.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 230 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are misusing the terms I use. Dogs are a species, cats are a species, chimps are a species, human beings are a species, trilobites are a species, etc etc etc. You do not get to use my terms to establish your own definitions and impute them to me.
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JonF Member Posts: 6171 Joined: |
Just applying your definition.
Basic body plan the same, not counting different size or length.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
No. You do not have some sort of personal dispensation to make up your own definitions for words. Words have meanings. Either use them in the manner they are defined, use different words or drop the argument.
Classic troll behavior and demands. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 16733 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
quote: I note that you do not quote what RAZD actually said:
And that seems to be true. We have seen no valid criteria for identifying species which allows us to say that trilobites are a species - and still keep cats, dogs, chimps and human beings as separate species. Edited by PaulK, : Correct qs tag
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 230 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, crosses have no power, that would be superstition. Also prayer has no power in itself but God's answers do.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- At least you said a few things that address the question of how to get from species to species:
Unfortunately this is on the same level as the answer that "microevolution just continues for millions of years." It's an assertion of what is really no more than belief or faith, there is no substance to it. You are not saying HOW this is possible, trying to imagine just what changes mutation needs to bring about to make the change from chimp hand to human hand. Its proportion in relation to the body has to change, so does the size of fingers in relation to thumb have to change, so does the skin covering have to change etc etc etc. None of the human hand is in the chimp genome: that genome always produces a chimp hand. Something drastic has to change to make the chimp genome do something new. What mutations would do that and what makes you think they would happen anyway? Why wouldn't mutations add a few fingers or subtract a few or turn the fur into scales or whatnot? If you kept getting mutational trials of that sort they could last for millions of years and never produce a human hand. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 230 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't care what you've "seen," the definitions I gave are my definitions.
As usual this "discussion" has become a farce. Nevertheless for a while I will resist the impulse to leave this popstand and go on Inactive because the stupidities and misrepresentations do keep temping me back. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16733 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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quote: You haven’t got a definition of species that supports your claims. quote: Then maybe you should use your intellect from something better than creating stupidities you want to post here.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 230 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Calling a person insane, "off her rocker," for holding the standard Protestant belief really ought to be cause for suspension from the forum on the basis of disrespecting another's "sincerely held belief." I know of course that the Rules are no longer prosecuted, so I'll have to content myself with pointing out the infraction myself.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 230 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No I'm not dictating what definitions get to be used, I'm saying the whole discussion needs to be suspended and NO definitions used. And if you continue with your nitpicky arguments you aren't getting an answer.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8068 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.4
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Science has identified 50,000 trilobite species. You appear to be (very) wrong again. Chimps btw, *are* a species - Pan troglodytes - and so are bonobos - Pan paniscus. They have very similar body plans so I guess they're the same species according to you? But so is Homo sapiens which according to DNA sequencing shows Pan to be our closest living relative. Same body plan, same species, according to you. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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