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Message 75 of 505 (854731)
06-12-2019 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Tanypteryx
06-11-2019 7:06 PM


The candidates, after Bernie
I feel the same way about warren. She might hold her own with Trump, but right now I am hoping one of the younger people will emerge as likely winner against President Shit-for-Brains. ...
For me, she is rising into second place behind Bernie. All the candidates are using issues Bernie raised in 2016, and except for Warren carrying some of her original issues, they are there because of Bernie.
... That and dominating the House and Senate are as important in my mind as policy. Policy is important but if you don't have the power it means nothing.
What you need is a candidate with coat-tails, and the only one so far that I can see is Bernie. You wouldn't have AOC and other progressives that won in 2018 without him and his 2016 campaign and continued effort to build our revolution (not me us). He brings in independents that are wary of the democratic party and their history of failure to provide for working people in their lifetimes.
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Message 76 of 505 (854732)
06-12-2019 7:42 AM
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06-12-2019 6:59 AM


Re: The candidates, after Bernie
quote:
Chicago Tribune Staff May 16, 2019
Campaign 2020: The list of Democratic presidential candidates who want to topple Trump
Officially in: NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio, Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet, Former Vice President Joe Biden, South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton, California Rep. Eric Swalwell, Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, former Rep. Beto O’Rourke, former Gov. John Hickenlooper, Gov. Jay Inslee, Sen. Bernie Sanders, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Sen. Cory Booker, Sen. Kamala Harris, ex-San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, former Rep. John Delaney, Miramar, Fla., Mayor Wayne Messam, author Marianne Williamson, and former tech executive Andrew Yang.
Let's put them in a numbered list, alphabetically by last name just for kicks:
  1. Michael Bennet,
  2. Joe Biden,
  3. Cory Booker,
  4. Bill de Blasio
  5. Steve Bullock,
  6. Pete Buttigieg,
  7. Julian Castro,
  8. John Delaney,
  9. Tulsi Gabbard,
  10. Kirsten Gillibrand,
  11. Kamala Harris,
  12. John Hickenlooper,
  13. Jay Inslee,
  14. Amy Klobuchar,
  15. Wayne Messam,
  16. Seth Moulton,
  17. Beto O’Rourke,
  18. Tim Ryan,
  19. Bernie Sanders,
  20. Eric Swalwell,
  21. Elizabeth Warren,
  22. Marianne Williamson,
  23. Andrew Yang
Now reorder them in your preferences. Mine are
  1. Bernie Sanders,
  2. Elizabeth Warren,
  3. Tulsi Gabbard,
  4. Kirsten Gillibrand,
  5. Kamala Harris,
  6. Pete Buttigieg,
  7. Cory Booker,
  8. Jay Inslee,
  9. Amy Klobuchar,
  10. Julian Castro,
    Middle Ground
  11. Marianne Williamson,
  12. Andrew Yang
  13. Seth Moulton,
  14. Tim Ryan,
  15. Steve Bullock,
  16. Michael Bennet,
  17. Eric Swalwell,
  18. John Hickenlooper,
  19. John Delaney,
  20. Wayne Messam,
    Bottom
  21. Bill de Blasio
  22. Beto O’Rourke,
    Disaster
  23. Joe Biden,
If we were doing ranked voting at primaries this is the way I would currently rank them.
If we were doing instant runoff voting at primaries I would have each candidate beat the ones below thim.
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Message 130 of 505 (859453)
07-31-2019 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Theodoric
07-31-2019 4:12 PM


GOTCHA
Elizabeth Warren masterfully destroys Chris Matthews’ gotcha question.
The question is not how much tax cost will change, but how much the total cost/s for healthcare will change
The Koch brother study showed that the total healthcare costs would go down with Bernie's "medicare for all" plan. There would be less out of pocket and co-pay costs and the current medicare costs are less than comparable insurance company costs (because no profit gouging).
quote:
Koch-backed study finds ‘Medicare for All’ would save U.S. trillions
An estimated cost of $32.6 trillion over 10 years is less than the US would spend over the next 10 years under the current system.
A single-payer Medicare for All system would reduce the amount the U.S. spends on health care by more than $2 trillion, a Koch brothers-funded study released Monday found.
Research by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University a libertarian think tank backed by the Koch brothers projected that the Medicare for All plan championed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) would cost the government $32.6 trillion over 10 years. The highly critical report represented this figure as additional federal spending on top of what the government currently spends on health programs, and found that even doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not cover the costs of Sanders’ Medicare for All plan.
The study did conclude, however, that Medicare for All would result in significant savings for the country because of lower prescription drug costs, saving $846 billion over the next decade. Streamlined administrative costs under the plan would save another $1.6 trillion, the researchers at the Mercatus Center found.
But when we talk about a Medicare for All system, it’s important to discuss the costs in the context of what the U.S. already spends on health care, given that the idea would be to replace the current system with a new Medicare for All program. As of 2016, national health expenditures which includes federal spending, state Medicaid programs, and private employer health care spending totaled $3.3 trillion per year, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
Sanders’ proposed single-payer plan would be free at the point of service, and would not include any cost-sharing that is, no co-pays or premiums. Under his plan, taxes would replace those often high costs, which currently are shouldered by patients.
Research from March of this year found that the present system has left 15.5 percent of adults between 19 and 64 without health insurance, while more than a quarter of lower-income families are uninsured. Monday’s study concluded that not only would Medicare for All provide insurance for the millions of Americans currently without coverage, but it would also save the the United States $2.054 trillion over the next decade.
With "medicare for all" the government would also be in a position to negotiate drug costs with big pharmacy and bring costs more in line with what you see in Canada for the same medications:
quote:
'People are Dying': Bernie Sanders Heads to Canada With an Insulin Caravan
Sanders stood next to a mother who said she spends roughly US $1,500 a month for insulin for her son. But in Windsor, she paid US $1,000 for a six-month supply.
A vial of insulin which Type 1 diabetics use to regulate their blood sugar costs about US $340 in the United States -- roughly 10 times the Canadian price. An American Diabetes Association spokesperson previously told CTVNews.ca the average price of insulin has nearly tripled between 2002 and 2013.
Of course the Pharmacy companies are contributing to other candidates to prevent this from happening ...
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Edited by RAZD, : added koch study

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Message 150 of 505 (859522)
08-01-2019 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Hyroglyphx
07-31-2019 9:39 PM


Work for citizenship
... I'm curious to know what precisely most Democrats want when it comes to the border. ...
I would like a very lenient border that encourages immigration, with a work to citizenship program. Similar to the old indentured servants when the country was founded, but with more rights: as long as you stay in the program you get living wage and benefits, and there would be night classes in english and American history, including the constitution. After 5 years you take your citizenship exam.
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Message 158 of 505 (859609)
08-02-2019 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Theodoric
08-01-2019 3:18 PM


What is an open border?
... Maybe if he and people like Drum could explain what they mean by open borders we could explain why it isn't open borders. ...
Here's my stab at it: an open border is one you can walk across without any legal constraint and without any inspection -- like what we have between states.
Now I grew up in Michigan and we would drive through Canada to reach the east coast relatives and to summer in Rhode Island. Stops at the borders were cursory and rarely were vehicles inspected. No longer, as now you need to have a passport to cross the border.
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Message 160 of 505 (859617)
08-02-2019 9:47 AM
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08-02-2019 8:37 AM


Re: What is an open border?
Now what we have in the "Eurozone" is akin to state to state borders for countries that are part of the EU, and regular border crossings to other countries.
Customs Duty, USA and Europe: Know the Rules when Crossing Borders.
Now I can envisage a N.America union -- with Canada and the US ... (and Mexico ... or not), but the politics would be wicked and the GOP would likely revolt (they are pretty revolting already) -- and that would be an open border system, but I don't see anyone advocating that.
A South America Union would be an interesting proposition ... if the US could keep from poking their regime change tendencies to cripple governments ... include central America and Mexico and it could become a political powerhouse.
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Message 162 of 505 (859619)
08-02-2019 9:52 AM
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Re: What is an open border?
And they have the advantage of a common language and history.
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Message 210 of 505 (860616)
08-09-2019 9:06 AM
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08-09-2019 8:30 AM


Re: The Left's Imaginary Racism
bwa ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa
so blind

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Message 237 of 505 (863880)
10-02-2019 2:57 PM


Bernie Hospitalized
quote:
Bernie Sanders undergoes medical procedure for artery blockage, canceling upcoming campaign events
Sen. Bernie Sanders experienced chest discomfort on Tuesday night and will suspend campaigning until further notice after doctors treated a blockage in an artery, senior adviser Jeff Weaver said in a statement Wednesday morning.
Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has been praised by former Vice President Joe Biden as being honest with the American people that their taxes would go up if the country moves to Medicare for All, weighed in by citing the costs the country would bear if the nation does not move to Medicare for All.
Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted, Weaver said. Sen. Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. He will be resting up over the next few days. We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.
Sanders, who is 78 years old, felt the discomfort during a campaign event. Despite his age, he has been one of the most active campaigners in the 2020 Democratic primary field.
That'll put a damper on his campaign, although it is not that serious and there have been presidents with more medical issues, it raises a question again, of age.
Ageism?
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Message 240 of 505 (863889)
10-02-2019 3:23 PM


October Debates ... the dozen qualifiers
quote:
A Supersize Debate: Here Are The 12 Democrats Who Made The October Cutoff
A dozen candidates have qualified for the fourth Democratic presidential debate. They will appear together on one night, making the October faceoff the most crowded yet.
The 12 White House hopefuls who met the polling and fundraising requirements set by the Democratic National Committee are former Vice President Joe Biden; New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker; South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg; former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julin Castro; Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard; California Sen. Kamala Harris; Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar; former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke; Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders; billionaire businessman and activist Tom Steyer; Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren; and entrepreneur Andrew Yang.
Steyer and Gabbard did not qualify in time to make the September debate stage but have since met the requirements to appear on Oct. 15 near Columbus, Ohio, with the 10 candidates from the last debate.
The DNC requirements were the same last month as they are now candidates had to register at least 2% in four early state or national polls and acquire 130,000 unique donors. Though Steyer and Gabbard hit those marks over the last month, seven Democrats still in the race failed to qualify.
Happy to see Tulsi still in the mix. We need a strong anti-war voice.
What I see here is a very strong field of candidates, not only for president but also there for vicepresident.
Bernie has once again outperformed the others on raising grass roots funding, with over $25 million in the last quarter, but we now have the issue of age related health and potential heart attacks. It should be noted however that many people have been through the process Bernie has just had and have lived long and prosperous lives. Even some 'evil' ones (Cheney), and it certainly makes a strong argument for #Medicare4All universal health coverage.
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Message 242 of 505 (863891)
10-02-2019 3:28 PM
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10-02-2019 3:13 PM


Re: Bernie Hospitalized
I would at this point prefer Pocahontas as president, but if VP to Bernie or Biden that would be ok.
I'll bet a number of people are making the same evaluation. It will be interesting to see the next debate -- OCT 15th -- as well as campaigns up to that date.
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Message 243 of 505 (863893)
10-02-2019 3:30 PM
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10-02-2019 3:24 PM


Re: Bernie Hospitalized
Bernie needs to go to Dick Cheney's doctor. That dude is still kickin' around, which amazes me.
Exactly my point -- this operation is no death warrant nor a sign of infirmity, rather it is a common procedure with a high success rate for return to normal life.
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Message 246 of 505 (863972)
10-04-2019 11:47 AM
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10-04-2019 10:13 AM


Re: Bernie Hospitalized
I personally would be happy for Bernie to be the nominee, ...
Bernie expects to be at the OCT 15th debate and fully ready to take up the rigors of grass root campaigning. This is normally the return to activity following a stent and there should be no further concern re his health.
He has of course taken advantage of the situation to plug #Medicare4All, saying he is fortunate to have good health insurance, but that there are many people who don't and who would face bankruptcy.
... but then again, I would be thrilled to have Elizabeth Warren as the nominee too. ...
I'll take Warren over the others, although I wish Tulsi were doing better -- you would think the anti-endless-war platform would attract a lot more people to her campaign.
... The failure of Biden is ...
That he is old-school DINO neoliberal like Clinton, and he has baggage.
... not the faux scandals that the Republican party is trying to throw out, ...
The typical right wing conspiracy generating machinations and the false equivalence of rumor to facts. Certainly it is a smoke screen and meanwhile Humpty Dumpty just keeps digging himself a deeper hole.
... but the lack of a coherent policy., the lack of focus in communication, and the tendency to insert foot in mouth.
There is no there there, from what I've seen. Amusing to me that the GOP/DT are wasting so much time and effort on him ... especially if he is not the nominee.
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Message 276 of 505 (865592)
10-28-2019 12:21 AM
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10-26-2019 3:59 PM


Re: Potential VPs for Sanders
Eliminating currently sitting Senators eliminates Baldwin and Warren as Turner is not currently holding office (my error).
Tulsi Gabbard has announced that she will not run for re-election.
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Message 278 of 505 (865627)
10-28-2019 1:34 PM
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Re: Potential VPs for Sanders
Understandable. One summer or winter in DC would be enough to convince me that Hawaii is much better choice for my life.
Indeed, but it also has to do with the personal attacks.
Glad to see her taking on Clinton with her witch-hunt still not accepting that she lost a winnable election -- and blaming others.
A good VP candidate, she could take on Pence in the debates easily methinks. Nina Turner also.
Harris could also be a good choice
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