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Message 21 of 117 (853665)
05-30-2019 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Taq
05-30-2019 12:59 PM


I agree with everything you say here.

On top of that, anyone in their 60's who has been in politics is probably going to have something sexist, mysogynistic, racist, or anachronistic in their past which can be dug up and paraded about.

I think in situations where this does come up the candidate's only response should be replaying "Access Holywood tape" and a list of the women who accused Trump, and no other discussion.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 27 of 117 (853682)
05-30-2019 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Faith
05-30-2019 6:01 PM


Faith writes:

WHAT WOMEN have "accused" Trump of anything? That's a lle!

Trump's sexual assault allegations: The full list of women who have accused the President

quote:
Here’s a roundup of those women who have accused Mr Trump of sexual assault or harassment.

Alva Johonson, a former Trump campaign staffer, said she had to avoid a kiss from Mr Trump while on a trip to Florida in August of 2016. The White House has denied this most recent accusation, as have some members of the Trump team who say they were present.

Jessica Leeds, a former traveling salesperson, alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while on a first-class flight in the 1980s. Ms Leeds was in her late 30s at the time.Jill Harth, a former business partner of Mr Trump’s, said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips, groped her breasts, and grabbed her genitals in what she described in a 1997 as an “attempted rape”. The encounter allegedly occurred at Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, in one of his children’s bedroom. She also says that Mr Trump groped her under the table at a dinner with colleagues at the Plaza Hotel.

Kristen Anderson alleged that Mr Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals over her underwear at the China Club in Manhattan at some point in the early 1990s when she was in her early 20s. Ms Anderson was an aspiring model at the time.

Lisa Boyne accused Mr Trump of insisting that female models walk across a table at a New York restaurant in 1996, and then remarking on their underwear and genitalia. She was 25 at the time.

Cathy Heller says that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips during a Mother’s Day brunch at mar-a-Lago in 1997.

Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, has alleged that says that Mr Trump walked into a dressing room unannounced in 1997. She said that there were several teen beauty queens aged between 15 and 19 in the room naked at the time.

Karena Virginia alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car after the US Open.

Bridget Sullivan, a former Miss New Hampshire, alleged that Mr Trump walked into the Miss USA pageant dressing room in 2000 while contestants were naked. She was 19 at the time.

Tasha Dixon, a former Miss Arizona, alleged that Mr Trump entered dressing rooms at the Miss USA pageant in 2001 while contestants were “half-naked”.

Melinda Macgillivray alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the main house of his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2003. They were in the middle of a group of people, she said, and it was during a concert performed by Ray Charles.

Jennifer Murphy said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her after a job interview in 2005. She was 26 at the time.

Rachel Cooks alleged that Mr Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips outside the elevator in Trump Tower in 2005. She was 22 at the time.

Natasha Stoynoff alleged that Mr Trump pushed her against a wall and forcibly kissed her in a closed-door room in his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2005. Ms Stoynoff, a writer for PEOPLE magazine, was there to interview Mr Trump.

Ninni Laaksonen alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks while taking photos outside the Ed Sullivan Theater, and before Mr Trump appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman. Ms Laaksonen was 20 at the time, in 2006.

Jessica Drake alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends in 2006, when she was 32. When she pushed him away, she said that he asked her: “How much?”

Samantha Holvey, a former Miss North Carolina, alleged that Mr Trump treated women like “meat” and would barge into dressing rooms to inspect women. She said the incidents occurred in 2006, when she was 20.

Summer Zervos alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her by her shoulders and forcibly kissed her, and groped her breasts, while she was a contestant on The Apprentice in 2007. She said the incidents took place at Trump Tower in New York, and at a hotel in Los Angeles.

Cassandra Searles, a former Miss Washington, said that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks repeatedly in 2013 during the Miss USA pageant in 2013. She said that he also invited her to his hotel room.


The 23 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct

Donald Trump is one of
263 celebrities, politicians, CEOs, and others who have been accused of sexual misconduct since April 2017

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 29 of 117 (853687)
05-30-2019 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
05-30-2019 6:30 PM


You asked what women and I answered. If that's not good enough, go piss up a rope.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 34 of 117 (853764)
05-31-2019 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Taq
05-31-2019 12:38 PM


Exactly. All of the current top 15 Democratic candidates are better than Trump, so let's not trip on not having a perfect candidate an instead elect a better candidate.

I'm have trouble thinking of anyone who would not be better than Trump. The only ones are already dictators, oh well, and also all the idiots who support Trump. So there are millions who are not better than Trump....never mind.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 42 of 117 (853942)
06-03-2019 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by AZPaul3
06-02-2019 11:39 PM


Re: Hold that thought
I thought Inslee is the governor Washington. He's full on climate change candidate.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 47 of 117 (853983)
06-03-2019 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by ooh-child
06-03-2019 1:02 PM


Re: I have a dream....
Ring-wing heads explode all over the USA.

Fireworks are the best part of any celebration!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 51 of 117 (854003)
06-03-2019 11:47 PM


Pete Buttigieg
I haven't decided if I like any of them yet, but I have seen several interviews with the mayor, and he is very articulate and he seems really comfortable on the national stage.

He is very young, but still has an impressive resume. I don't expect him to be a finalist this time, but this young man has the future. I can easily picture him as President some day.

The thought of a career sitting in meetings makes me shudder, so I'm glad there are some good people who actually seek such a career.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 61 of 117 (854233)
06-05-2019 11:42 PM
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06-05-2019 11:37 PM


Re: Just a bit to add on South Sioux City and solar.
So how many square miles of building roofs are there in Nebraska?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 68 of 117 (854419)
06-08-2019 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Hyroglyphx
06-08-2019 9:33 AM


Re: The candidates
Pelosi, Clinton and Warren come to mind as being disingenuous and hyper-partisan.

And they're all women, but I have a hard time imagining any Democrat in leadership or candidate positions not being hyper-partisan, after dealing with Mitch McConnell and Congressional Republicans this past decade.

And they are each expert-level knowledgeable in their field, Congress and the law and effective leadership, world affairs, and banking and finance. You may not like their personalities or histories, but I don't think you can credibly deny their qualifications. I am always amazed that there are people who would intentionally seek jobs that consist of sitting in meetings, all day, every day.

Disingenuous is a good word. I would say it can be validly used to describe most politicians.

Can you name any Republicans that are not hyper-partisan considering Trump's 90+% approval from Republicans?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 74 of 117 (854697)
06-11-2019 7:06 PM
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06-11-2019 6:18 PM


Re: The candidates
I feel the same way about warren. She might hold her own with Trump, but right now I am hoping one of the younger people will emerge as likely winner against President Shit-for-Brains. That and dominating the House and Senate are as important in my mind as policy. Policy is important but if you don't have the power it means nothing.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 82 of 117 (854768)
06-12-2019 2:55 PM
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06-12-2019 2:50 PM


Re: Jon Stewart schools Congress
I guess the main takeaway from my perspective is Congress is always going to be partisan. But I think they all need to take a step back in times like this and just simply set aside differences and at long last, do the right thing.

The "right thing" is never going to be in the Republican bag of tricks.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 89 of 117 (855309)
06-18-2019 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Hyroglyphx
06-18-2019 3:39 PM


Re: The candidates
And they're all women

Did you miss the part where I was critical of men on the list or that I lauded Tulsi Gabbard as being 1 of 2 considerations for my vote?

I didn't see any men on the list in the message I was answering.

quote:
Pelosi, Clinton and Warren come to mind as being disingenuous and hyper-partisan.

You cited Mitch McConnell in the previous paragraph... does his "expert-level knowledge" give him any credibility? No, I didn't think so... I mean, to say that a politician is knowledgeable of politics is about as redundant as a plumber being knowledgeable about plumbing.

I am unaware of Mitch McConnell having any knowledge in any of the fields I listed other than Congress. And I did not say anything about knowledge of politics.

Tanypteryx writes:

And they are each expert-level knowledgeable in their field, Congress and the law and effective leadership, world affairs, and banking and finance. You may not like their personalities or histories, but I don't think you can credibly deny their qualifications.

Hyropglyphx writes:

Because of this hyper-partisan political climate we live in, as soon as I was critical of people from the Democratic Party you rushed in to counter with Republicans.

Actually I rushed in to point out that hyperpartisonship is hardly surprising considering McConnell's anti-American bullshit.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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