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Message 5 of 401 (851828)
05-02-2019 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by ramoss
05-02-2019 8:51 PM


Re: Biden's running helps Sanders
I don't think she's electable.

I'll disagree.

If a pathological liar like Trump can get elected so can Pocahontas after a minor faux pas about her heritage. It's not like she lied, the DNA really is there, just not as prominent as some were led to assume and being "Native" is more than just DNA.

As a flaming liberal who wants the whole world to link arms and sing Kumbaya I find a lot to like about Liz's philosophy and history.

But the race just started and there is a lot of politics yet to be heard to be so resolute on one minor tittle.

I'll look and listen to see how Beto, Kamala and the others react to the fight.


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Message 10 of 401 (851908)
05-04-2019 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by LamarkNewAge
05-04-2019 1:10 AM


Re: Biden's running helps Sanders
Is there a page showing all of her comments on the issue (and the context)?

Probably, somewhere. It really isn't important.

She was proud of having the ancestry. Maybe a bit too proud owing to political concerns, but she acknowledged the heritage is way back, and more telling, she not only accepted the native nation's statement that being "native" was considerably more than a few strands of chemistry, she repeated that statement to the press in acknowledgement.

To me it's a nit. I'm sure there will be those who will wave it around like some kind of major personality flaw but that is politics as usual. It does nothing to detract from her philosophy on governance and human dignity which should be where the political dialogue should focus. Otherwise I don't care.

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Message 30 of 401 (853699)
05-30-2019 11:00 PM


I don’t know who I will end up supporting come November 2020.

Right now I feel more affection for Pocahontas and Beto than the rest but all that can change.

I will put time in for Sen Warren’s local campaign. If she becomes non-viable I will switch to my then favorite, whoever that be.

In the end I will actively enthusiastically work for whoever is the Democrat nominee. I have my druthers but if that isn’t to be then so be whatever.

No matter who you support early please remember that at the end of the process the overriding goal of this next election is to get that narcissistic idiot out of the Oval Office.

It really doesn't matter which democrat you support. Pick one and go to work for them even if only 2-3 nights a month.

There will only be two choices. Don't dilute the strength of our opposition to Trump by going all googly eyes over some third party. We cannot allow the Trumpettes to slide to victory again.


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Message 41 of 401 (853941)
06-02-2019 11:39 PM
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06-02-2019 9:26 PM


Re: Hold that thought
Hey! Stop with the racism. Us jerk off clueless white dudes who actually do remember JFK take exception to our characterization.

What you got on Jay Inslee. I haven't seen him but a Colorado friend told me the folks in Colorado either hate him or love him and all for the same reason. He's a flaming liberal with a rather pragmatic approach.


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Message 43 of 401 (853951)
06-03-2019 2:34 AM
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06-03-2019 12:53 AM


Re: Hold that thought
Washington. Of course.

Where did I get Colorado?

I tell ya, the older I get ...


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Message 52 of 401 (854004)
06-04-2019 1:41 AM
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06-03-2019 11:47 PM


Re: Pete Buttigieg
Those meetings are where political power is made and exercised.

Having good liberal progressive people in them would be nice for a change.

Is he a VP wannabe?


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Message 56 of 401 (854180)
06-05-2019 12:27 PM
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06-05-2019 11:53 AM


Re: Biden pledges to fight climate change
I have no problem with using an enemy's proposals, even their syntax, when they may be the right solutions.

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Message 58 of 401 (854195)
06-05-2019 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Theodoric
06-05-2019 12:50 PM


Re: Biden pledges to fight climate change
Yes. We already know carbon capture is not the majik bullet to solve our climate problems. Alternate sources are indeed key.

But, as your sources point out, carbon capture and carbon offsets do increase fossil fuel energy costs. It forces global society, which is firmly entrenched in the fossil fuel mode, to put a more realistic cost on that technology.

Fighting our climate problems requires a multi-pronged approach. Carbon capture puts a more meaningful cost on our present energy scheme incenting development of alternate sources. It is but one program among the many we need to put into place.

We're not going to abandon fossil fuels anytime soon no matter how many pricey alternatives we develop and we need to invest to develop a lot of them and make them cheaper. The political/economic present responds to cost not altruism. Cost will move society.

An example. Last year Tesla made around $2 billion selling its carbon offsets to other car manufacturers. $2 billion is a pretty good incentive to improve the efficiency and economic viability of electric cars. And those gas guzzling monsters now cost a bit more to sell. GM has to recover the cost of buying those offsets somehow.

It also incents GM to move toward its own electric vehicle. Or, since part of Tesla's issues is slow manufacture, maybe it could incent GM to buy Tesla and put making electric cars on a faster cheaper track.

Every little bit helps.

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Message 83 of 401 (854770)
06-12-2019 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Diomedes
06-12-2019 2:50 PM


Re: Jon Stewart schools Congress
just simply set aside differences and at long last, do the right thing.

With the republicans in the senate? That's asking too much. No political advantage to it.


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Message 96 of 401 (856460)
07-01-2019 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Minnemooseus
06-30-2019 11:57 PM


Re: I like the idea of a moderate Democrat President
Pocahontas is from Massachusetts and her replacement in the senate would probably not be a conservative republican. I'm ok taking that chance.

And as someone else dared point out, I also think that EW has a pretty annoying vocal tonality.

Why do we do that? Why do we give so much service to small personal stuff when the ideas are the only important aspect of this whole exercise?

I know, I know. Media, internet. Cult of personality instead of corpus of thought. This is the social landscape we created.


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Message 129 of 401 (859452)
07-31-2019 6:01 PM
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07-31-2019 4:12 PM


What is best is she is right. Costs are the killer.

Love that girl.


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Message 136 of 401 (859500)
07-31-2019 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by a servant of Christ
07-31-2019 10:34 PM


From what I understand you alt-Reich neo-Nazis kill more of us Americans than any other group foreign or domestic.

We could be a lot better off by getting rid of you and opening the border.

Just saying.

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Message 152 of 401 (859535)
08-01-2019 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Hyroglyphx
07-31-2019 11:47 PM


Re: Who is calling for open borders?
what do you want when it comes to immigration?

I think what the Democrats would like would be to work with Republican statesmen rather than Republican sado-racists hell bent on avoiding any kind of political compromise on the issue.


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Message 172 of 401 (860155)
08-05-2019 6:05 PM
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08-05-2019 5:56 PM


Re: What is an open border?
the borders of the Nation of California

Yeah, but the Nation of California is not defining "brown people" as "invasive species" the way the Republicans do.

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Message 179 of 401 (860191)
08-06-2019 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Faith
08-05-2019 11:37 PM


Re: What is an open border?
Since his presidential announcement speech in June 2015 Trump has tagged brown people an invasive species to be crushed. The republicans, the whole damn party, has echoed that blatant racism.

quote:
Wow. Whoa. That is some group of people. Thousands.

So nice, thank you very much. That’s really nice. Thank you. It’s great to be at Trump Tower. It’s great to be in a wonderful city, New York. And it’s an honor to have everybody here. This is beyond anybody’s expectations. There’s been no crowd like this.

And, I can tell, some of the candidates, they went in. They didn’t know the air-conditioner didn’t work. They sweated like dogs.

They didn’t know the room was too big, because they didn’t have anybody there. How are they going to beat ISIS? I don’t think it’s gonna happen.


How much clearer can he get?


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