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Minnemooseus
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Message 95 of 505 (856457)
06-30-2019 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by xongsmith
06-30-2019 3:48 PM


I like the idea of a moderate Democrat President
We need to keep as many incumbent Senators in the Senate as we can.

I think this includes Elizabeth Warren. I like her positions, but (just as 4 years ago) I think she may be a greater force as a Senator. And as someone else dared point out, I also think that EW has a pretty annoying vocal tonality.

I like the idea of a progressive Congress (can the Senate be flipped???) powering the agenda, and a moderate Democrat President as the CEO. If the Congress can get the progressive bill(s)/agenda to the President, even a moderate Democrat President will sign-off on it.

Minnesota has our "favorite daughter", Amy Klobuchar, in the race. I think she has done a solid, albeit low key (aka overshadowed by Al Franken) job as Senator. And at this point, I think the 2 Minnesota Senate seats are pretty safe to be held by Democrats.

And I still think that "metoo" got used by the far right to unjustifiably crucify Al Franken. The one question I'd like to ask Al is "Why didn't you go for an ethics committee hearing?".

Moose

ps - I can't help but feel I have too many words above capitalized.

Added by edit - Something I found to be worth watching:

An Important Message From Samantha Bee to Democratic Presidential Candidates: Run for the Senate, Dammit!

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Change subtitle.

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Added by edit.


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Minnemooseus
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Message 97 of 505 (856462)
07-01-2019 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by AZPaul3
07-01-2019 12:25 AM


Re: I like the idea of a moderate Democrat President
And as someone else dared point out, I also think that EW has a pretty annoying vocal tonality.

Why do we do that? Why do we give so much service to small personal stuff when the ideas are the only important aspect of this whole exercise?

I tracked down the "someone else" message:

Taq in message 73 writes:

I just wish hearing her voice didn't make me cringe.

Sorry, but I have to 100% agree with Taq. I'll vote for her, or whoever (whomever?) the "D" candidate is. But I'd rather not have to experience the "nails on a chalkboard" effect when I hear the President speak. Still, not as nauseating as hearing Trump speak.

Moose


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Minnemooseus
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Message 256 of 505 (864806)
10-17-2019 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by LamarkNewAge
10-17-2019 12:33 AM


Re: Christian Sierra (CNN Media Coordinator) says Gabbard is "actually pretty liberal"
Project Veritas - That's the operation of James O'Keefe, king of the doctored videos.

Scum - Nothing he has anything to do with should be paid any attention.

Moose


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Minnemooseus
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Message 260 of 505 (864893)
10-18-2019 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by LamarkNewAge
10-17-2019 11:01 PM


Re: Christian Sierra (CNN Media Coordinator) says Gabbard is "actually pretty liberal"
But he has video from the 'mouth.

I haven't followed O'Keefe's work closely (which would be stupid to do), but I believe he has done (among other things) videos of question and answer sessions, where the answers were to different questions.

The guy works the cutting edge of real FAKE NEWS. Alex Jones of InfoWars might be a more reliable information source.

Read the Wiki page cite a did a few messages upthread.

Moose


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Minnemooseus
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Message 263 of 505 (864950)
10-19-2019 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by LamarkNewAge
10-19-2019 12:55 AM


Re: Christian Sierra (CNN Media Coordinator) says Gabbard is "actually pretty liberal"
I could not find any such video at your link. Post a video link?

The CNN guy is what matters. He is the one talking (aside from the questions).

And O'Keefe is known to mate up questions and answers that were not mated in the real event. Did the questions even happen in the real event, or were they spliced in afterwords?

James O'Keefe is well known as a distorter of what really happened - aka lying via doctored videos. Not remotely a reliable source.

You going to believe an O'Keefe video that shows the sun rising in the west?

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Fix typo (left a letter out).


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Minnemooseus
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Message 336 of 505 (871537)
02-04-2020 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by LamarkNewAge
02-04-2020 5:01 PM


Trump should have been self-defeating
I still am amazed at how Hillary Clinton got the ONLY Republican she could beat as her general election opponent in 16 and still did so badly that she blew a good Senate map.

Any of the other Republican candidates should have been able to defeat Trump. But how do you campaign against someone so obviously unsuitable for the job?

Back when, I had (unfortunately) used the phrase that "Hillary was the lesser of to evils", to which Anglagard replied "The lesser of two evils is still evil".

On the +10=wonderful, -10=terrible scale, Trump has to be somewhere in the -10 neighborhood, while Hillary is, at minimum, somewhere around a zero.

The Trump election was a result of mass irrationality. I think that anyone who didn't vote for Hillary, didn't vote against Trump.

Part of my signature:
"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

Moose


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes" - Ronald Reagan (1984)

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Minnemooseus
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Message 442 of 505 (872813)
03-05-2020 3:44 AM


A fantasy or a frump?
My preferences were "not an old white man" (and not an old white male billionare). And how healthy are Sanders and Bidden.?

1) Warren
2) Klobuchar
3) Sanders
4) Bidden

But I figured that it was going to come down to Sanders or Bidden, so I voted Sanders.

But what I really want is someone between Sanders and Bidden, which also gets back to Warren or Klobuchar.

To me it seems Sanders is promising way more than he can deliver, and Bidden, is he promising anything?

I think too many think that Sanders is some sort of messiah, who can do miracles. I just want a President who won't stand in the way of progressiveness.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Do a subtitle.


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Minnemooseus
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Message 447 of 505 (872875)
03-06-2020 3:48 AM


PZ Myers said it so well - Random thoughts about the course of this election
Random thoughts about the course of this election

quote:
Just what I think, nothing more.

It’s alright to detest any of the candidates — Bloomberg was a rich goblin, go ahead and say so. I like Warren, but if you don’t, I’m not going to try and change your opinion. Fire away with your dissent.

All of the candidates, current and past, are deeply flawed. If you’re trying to argue that your favored candidate is a saint who will make every segment of the electorate happy and win in a landslide, you are delusional. Own their shortcomings, work to reduce them, preferably by getting the candidate himself to admit to them.

We’re not going to get a revolution in January, even if your preferred candidate gets into office. Face the facts: this is going to take a long struggle over decades. Longer with Biden than Sanders, I think, but Biden is the cautious choice that a surprising (to me) lot of people favor.

One of the reasons it’s going to take a long time is that changing figureheads doesn’t change the direction of the ship. We’ve got to work on informing the electorate. You’re going to have to win over 330 million people, not just the one at the top. The US has systemic issues that aren’t going to disappear in a single election.

To accomplish change, you’ll need to get along with the supporters of the other Democratic candidate, win or lose. There’s a lot of bridge-burning going on. Stop it.

That doesn’t mean you stop criticizing the other guy, or your guy. He’s your representative, not your boss. Let them know what needs to change in their approach.

Disappointingly, as the field has narrowed, it’s obvious that we’re not going to get a woman or person of color in the oval office. Don’t forget all the other elected positions that we need to fill! Fight to build a coalition that supports your goals, and that reflects the diversity we need.

The enemy is Donald Trump and the whole damned Republican party. Fight them with the army you’ve got, not the one you wish you had.


Moose


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes" - Ronald Reagan (1984)

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Minnemooseus
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Message 451 of 505 (872984)
03-07-2020 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Minnemooseus
03-05-2020 3:44 AM


Re: A fantasy or a frump? - bump for the Bernie-bros
From the replied to message:

I think too many think that Sanders is some sort of messiah, who can do miracles. I just want a President who won't stand in the way of progressiveness.

Moose


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Minnemooseus
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Message 464 of 505 (873320)
03-14-2020 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 455 by LamarkNewAge
03-11-2020 11:57 AM


The Bernie movement as a religious cult
I have really been thinking lately and I don't think I want Biden to beat Trump and it has to do with the fact that we could have 16 years of Biden and his VP ruining the Earth's climate in an irreversible destruction.

It might be best to suffer 4 more years of Trump then in 2024 we can hope for the Democratic Party getting serious about the challenges that must be taken on.

I might support Biden if he shocks us all and picks a good VP running mate, but I fear it could be Amy Klobuchar or something almost as bad.

Minnemooseus (for the 2nd time) in message 451 writes:

I think too many think that Sanders is some sort of messiah, who can do miracles. I just want a President who won't stand in the way of progressiveness.

You make the Bernie movement seem like a religious cult.

I voted for Bernie in the Minnesota caucus/primary in 2016 and 2020, but you create an aura of irrationality around the Bern. I had preferred Warren as my first choice, and Klobuchar as my second choice.

VOTE BLUE, NO MATTER WHO, YOU POLITICO-RELIGIOUS DING-DONG.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Change subtitle.

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Redundant "the" in subtitle.


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. - Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes" - Ronald Reagan (1984)

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


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Minnemooseus
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Message 471 of 505 (874365)
03-30-2020 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 470 by LamarkNewAge
03-29-2020 10:48 PM


Re: +Re: Update delegate counts
Considering the popular media is in the business of defeating Sanders with any excuse OR candidate OR ANY EXCUSE OF A CANDIDATE , and consider also the brainwashable public, then consider this over. The Democratic primary .

Being wacko-paranoid are we?

Repeating from my message 464:

Moose, replying to LNA writes:

Minnemooseus (for the 2nd time) in message 451 writes:

I think too many think that Sanders is some sort of messiah, who can do miracles. I just want a President who won't stand in the way of progressiveness.

You make the Bernie movement seem like a religious cult.

I voted for Bernie in the Minnesota caucus/primary in 2016 and 2020, but you create an aura of irrationality around the Bern. I had preferred Warren as my first choice, and Klobuchar as my second choice.

VOTE BLUE, NO MATTER WHO, YOU POLITICO-RELIGIOUS DING-DONG.

Moose


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