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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
See the 538 site and check the Feb 3 polls Silver posted.
AtlasIntel has a 1600 registered voter poll from Jan 31 to Feb 2 Sanders beats Trump by 4 while Biden and Buttigieg only beat him by 1. Bloomberg lost. Morning Consult has an amazing 7178 registered voter sample. Jan 27 to Feb 2 Buttigieg wins by 1 Sanders won by 4 Biden wins by 4 Bloomberg wins by 7 Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
It sounds like you are making a statement about Trump being a President you feel negativity towards.
My point was that Sanders performs in a way that is totally contrary to what we would expect from all the electability verses unelectability chatter. Consider this The last non partisan poll on the general election was a state poll taken which matched Trump against the Democratic nominees. It was from January 31 to Feb 2 by East Carolina University and it was a poll measuring South Carolina voters attitudes. This is by far the most conservative state on the east coast. Trump won 54 to 41 in 2016. Georgia is the next best east coast state for Trump in 16 and it was a 5.7 race. Bloomberg looses SC 53 to 33. Klobuchar looses 52 to 33. Buttigieg looses 53 to 34. Sanders and Biden loose 52 to 40. Steyer spent alot for the primary in SC and he is loosing 52 to 39 Sanders does better than the chatter wants us to think. A lot better.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Sanders does relatively better than the rest of the Democratic candidates in the state races.
Even in partisan polls. The most recent general election poll was from Feb 4 to 5 by a Republican firm and it was on New Hampshire. McLaughlin and Associates has Sanders loosing to Trump 48 to45 and Biden loosing 49 to 45. Partisan polls only are released when the poll shows the party candidates performing much better than the rest of the polls that show what is really going on. Trump looses New Hampshire in the real polls. Sanders is clearly strong in swing state New Hampshire.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
I KNEW the media would try to play her up ever since she announced she was running. I also knew that I should ignore it all as it would be a media driven fantasy with no voter driven support to the stories.
There are cherry picking poll watchers who are writing articles which ignore the mass of polls that have Klobuchar tanking. The media says Klobuchar is red hot. Actually the last 2 CNN polls that have been released on back to back days this weekend have Klobuchar getting 5 and 6 percent. 2 points ahead of Yang and the poll today has her up 1 over Gabbard. Granted there has not been a general election poll since before Iowa voted, but Klobuchar did not perform well against Trump relative to the other Democrats. I did not think so. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
We have a big post Iowa poll with 1159 registered voters polled
Buttigieg beats Trump 47 to 43 Warren 48 Trump 44 Klobuchar 49 Trump 43 Biden 50 Trump 43 Sanders 51 Trump 43 Bloomberg 51 Trump 42 Here is the best evidence yet that the more voters know of Sanders the better he does. So far for the last 5 years
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Ipsos polled 952 from Feb 6 to 10 and both Sanders and Bloomberg got 45 while Trump got 41.
Buttigieg was tied 41 to 41 while Biden was up 44 to 42. GOOD NEWS for Buttigieg in one state however. An AtlasIntel poll has only Buttigieg beating Trump in New Hampshire. 46 to 45. All other candidates loose to Trump in New Hampshire including Sanders who is down 47 to 44. Just a few weeks ago Sanders and Buttigieg were up 8 and 10 points over Trump in New Hampshire in another poll
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
A demonstration of its power
Now 4 moderates to split the vote of m4dia hyped candidates
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
See the February 12 Nate Silver post on 538.
It is full of sarcasm on the media coverage or at least the hyperlinks Twitter post by Silver is. This is the guy who got the attention of the mainstream media after his stunning calls in the Electoral College and Senate races in 2012. The CIA bots are already calling him a Sanders supporter on Twitter. Reminds me of Democratic Underground and the bull crap there. Silver is using scientifically minded approaches for his data but admits that the media is a powerful player in finding alternatives to Sanders. It is the plain truth and should be seen as such and Silver is just making a plain observation that he can't ignore. Algorithms can't factor in the media bull crap yet so he has to notice what should be noticed. I personally think that the mainstream media needs to get around to giving Democratic Party primary voters some credit. They voted for Sanders who was FIRST a civil rights movement guy back in his college days and really has been ever since if one ignores some slight anti immigration stuff from some periods in past decades. Sanders supported the Central American children in the 2013 to 2014 period while Hillary Clinton did not. Before he ran for President. Sanders is solid on most issues and consistently. The people like him. Give people credit. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Finally a state that matters is the subject of a big 1200 registered voter poll.
Alabama and Tennessee were polled since Iowa and Trump smashes all the candidates. So was South Carolina and the 3 states had a Trump blowout. The forth state general election poll really does matter. 538 and RealClear have 2 different polling outfits responsible for the poll, but I will try to make sense of that later. 538 says it was from YouGov but the numbers agree at least. Sanders 45 Trump 47 Warren 44 Trump 47 Biden 43 Trump 47 Buttigieg 42 Trump 47 Bloomberg 41 Trump 46 Klobuchar 41 Trump 46 Yang is gone but he did awesome as he only lost 45 to 43. The mainstream media will ignore this news as it means Sanders can turn the 306 to 232 Electoral College loss in 2016 into a 270 to 268 win just by looking at Texas. Texas just this year saw minorities become over 50.0 percent of eligible voters. This poll was about registered voters. Trump gets better performance among likely voters when the polls narrow it down to them which most do not. The poll was done from Feb 1 to 9.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined:
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Bad news for the DNC and its satellites.
Sanders 25 Biden 18 Buttigieg 10 Klobuchar 10 No matter how badly Klobuchar and Buttigieg do CNN and MSNBC will say that they came from nowhere and beat the odds. They will be the real winners. As if the non stop media promotion counts as QUOTE nowhere. Sanders is clearly the one beating the odds. He is attacked endlessly by every segment of a supposedly impartial media. Amazing if actual issues could ever get covered verses this BS about electability. CNN says that the voters really don't know Sanders positions YET after 5 years in the national spotlight. I wonder if MSNBC and CNN will ever ask if they themselves are the main reason EVEN ASSUMING the claim is true.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined:
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He does not mention that he is close to Bloomberg and the 2 men almost ran for President as a ticket back in 2012.
But Joe keeps saying that the aggregate results in Iowa and New Hampshire show the moderates winning by a fair chunk over Sanders and co. Joe loves to point out that Buttigieg has a delegate edge and he wants that to be the big number to gauge the Democratic primary voters. The media and Joe say that Sanders really does not represent the views of the majority or mainstream among Democratic voters and the explicit point is that Sanders policies aren't generally supported. I also keep hearing that Sanders is somehow tearing the party up by simply presenting his views . NOW ONE RESPONSE The viewers aren't as stupid as CNN and MSNBC think. The fact that the exit polls show 60 percent of primary voters support MedicareForAll while 35 percent oppose the Sanders policy MEANS that the moderate candidates opportunistically attacking the proposal for cheap political benefit HURTS THE PARTY. SECOND MAJOR POINT YouGov has been running polls which place Sanders 1 on 1 against the other candidates . He smashes all the moderate candidates by 15 to 20 points except Biden. Sanders beats Biden 48 to 44. He defeats the others with over 50 percent I will post the brand new one on one polls next post.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Ceiling is the hot word.
It comes after the results from Iowa and New Hampshire are shown. Then the claim is made that he only got that much due to the massive white majority in those two states. Then the moderate candidates get their votes added up. They got more aggregate votes than progressives. A massive nonstop media commentary comes from this supposedly data based presentation. But Sanders just got some vitally important polls from Feb 12 to 13 which the media ignored and ignores. He beats Klobuchar 54 to 33 one on one and does about the same to Buttigieg. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined:
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Share your values
Sanders 39Trump 31 Warren 31 Biden 30 Buttigieg 30 Bloomberg 28 Has good character Sanders 40Biden 31 Warren 30 Butttigieg 30 Bloomberg 29 Trump 26 Check out the polls and tell me what this means.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
And I should add that this is a poll of everybody.
Again Sanders is at 39 on the question of whether a candidate Shares my values.39 percent say yes and 36 say no. Trump is at 31 percent yes and 56 no. As for Democrats Sanders has 64 percent saying yes compared to 53 for Biden and 50 for Buttigieg and 55 for Warren and 46 for Bloomberg. Sanders is solid with the voters but where does the red scare fit into all this
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Sanders beats Trump in RealClear average of polls from Feb 5 to 18 by 4.6 percent. Bloomberg is also up 4.6 while Biden was up 4.8. Biden has an advantage in the states that the Wall Street Journal calls swing states in its battleground tracker.
Sanders is clearly electable so let us talk about actual issues CNN and MSNBC. Chuck Todd of Meet The Press had a SANDERS CEILING label for a segment and he placed it at 26 percent. But polls have Sanders at 41 percent for first or second choice in primary. Let us talk about the right to a job for all. Let us talk about the right to healthcare. Let us talk about a climate change plan that actually provides the required funding to change the energy landscape. The media wants to put a 60 trillion dollars cost on the Sanders proposals but that is misleading. 40 trillion dollars is from the healthcare proposal and that money is already going to be spent by United States government and consumers. That leaves 20 trillion dollars over 10 years for the rest of the Sanders proposals. 2 trillion a year it sounds like. I doubt the other proposals cost anywhere near that much. But everything should be taken on an issue by issue basis. Something that won't be done by the U. S. mainstream media. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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