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Author Topic:   The 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Campaign
Theodoric
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Message 311 of 505 (871310)
01-31-2020 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Faith
01-31-2020 3:53 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
The racism is that it hates and blames a particular group of people for all the problems in the entire country, and in a way that threatens violence.
So holding the 1% accountable for the problems they are causing is racism? Please explain how that works. Show me where in the video there is a threat of violence.
It lles about the problem of inequality which has just about been wiped out already
Really? Tell that to the people of Puerto Rico. The citizens of Iranian descent stopped at the border. How do you explain the continuing pay gap between white men and all other groups? This video explicitly did not attack white males. Show me where it did.
Do you have an issue with a black man speaking truth to power?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 313 of 505 (871315)
01-31-2020 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by Faith
01-31-2020 4:10 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
So you got nothing to support your assertions. As usual. Thanks for playing.
Set to ignore.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 314 of 505 (871326)
01-31-2020 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Faith
01-31-2020 3:53 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
So racism and inequality have been wiped out. That is kind of funny coming from an entitled old white lady.
Here are some facts.
quote:
The reality is that white parents are never going to really accept the premise of Brown v. Board. They might—might—accept it if the students their kids go to school with are wealthy and act right but actual racial and class diversity is anathema and everything in our society tells them to make sure their children go to effectively segregated school.
It isn't just white conservatives it is the liberals too.
You might want to tell my kid there is no more racism. He is one of 3 black kids in his school and he gets called the n-word about once week. I have had to report parents to the school because of comments I have heard. I had to call the cops on a parent when I approached him after he called my kid the n-word.
I am a white hispanic. Any idea how many times I hear anti hispanic comments? I have a Puerto Rican flag in my car, wanna guess how many times I have been cursed or had notes left on my car or swear words written on my car since the hurricane in Puerto Rico.
You are an entitled white person. Don't you dare tell me there is no discrimination or racism in this country.
Oh yeah, Fuck you.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.
Edited by Theodoric, : More forceful ending. Still pissed.

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Theodoric
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Message 318 of 505 (871357)
02-01-2020 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 316 by Phat
02-01-2020 11:06 AM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
So others must suffer so you can keep what you feel you are entitled to? Calling her entitled does not mean she is well off, it means she like you feel you deserve more than minorities and the disenfranchised because your whiteness has more value. So fuck you too.
This is not everyone against white people. This is everyone against the 1% and their minions that keep you, Faith and everyone else down so they can have an even bigger piece of the pie. They are able to manipulate you to support them by making you fear brown people. Do you really think they and donnie and the rest of the GOP give a rat's ass about you and those like you? If you do you are a bigger fool than I thought you were.
People like Sanders and Warren do not want to make the middle and poorer people suffer. They want to level the playing field and make the ultra wealthy pay their fair share. Our economy now redistributes wealth to the top. There is no redistribution down.
Your sense of entitlement refuses to let you see the facts in front of your eyes.
Your little example is ridiculous because it does not represent actual economics un any shape or form. That is not how economics works on a national level. There is no finite pot of money. That is not to say there is unlimited money, but capital is created and lost every day. The billionaires got a lot of their money from the abuse of workers and the system.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 323 of 505 (871419)
02-02-2020 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by RAZD
02-02-2020 10:36 AM


Re: Sanders does better as a Socialist than a Democrat
Here is the link to the article he is referring to.
Is Bernie Sanders’s socialism a liability in the general election? - Vox

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 330 of 505 (871498)
02-04-2020 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 328 by Percy
02-04-2020 9:51 AM


My choices for Dem.
Warren
Sanders
I like your reasoning. I disagree that Biden is the most electable. Electability does not mean attracting Republicans. It means exciting the Dems and appealing to the disaffected voter.
Buttigieg is in reality quite right wing. The black and minority vote will stay home if he is the candidate. The only reason he is a Dem is that he is unacceptable to the GOP. If the GOP did not hate gays he would be a Republican.
Amy Klobuchar seemingly a terrible manager and also has supported many of Trumps horrible judge picks.
All that being said I will support the nominee.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 359 of 505 (871752)
02-11-2020 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by anglagard
02-11-2020 5:26 AM


Re: New Hampshire Primary is Tomorrow
For example.
Mayor Pete’s Health Care Plan Is a Joke
His whole health care plan is a dodge and a weave. He is completely beholden to the moneyed interests and plans like this show a lack of serious policy considerations. It just does not add up and won't work.
quote:
he health care debate has popped back in the news again, as Pete Buttigieg attempts to gain ground in the primary by attacking Medicare for All. Buttigieg’s health plan has mostly avoided scrutiny in the debate so far, which is a shame because it is so bad that it borders on comical.
Impossible enrollments
n the first part of Buttigieg’s plan, he says he is going to automatically enroll the millions of uninsured people with incomes low enough to already be eligible for free insurance:
Over half of people with no insurance are eligible for either free insurance or an affordable insurance option. Anyone eligible for free coverage in Medicaid or the public option will be automatically enrolled, and those eligible for subsidized coverage will have a simple enrollment option.
Upon reading this, you should wonder to yourself: how on earth is the bureaucracy going to be able to automatically determine, in real time, who the low-income people are that are eligible for free insurance?
Remember, the people he is talking about here are not people who come into the welfare office and fill out forms recording their income information. These are the people who, despite being eligible, never come into the system at all. And so to automatically enroll them, you have to somehow find them. But how would you go about doing that?
When you follow Buttigieg’s citations, you wind up at a Third Way report that says an estimated 14.2 million people ... are eligible for free coverage in our current system but don’t sign up for it.
When you follow Third Way’s citations, you wind up at a Kaiser Family Foundation report that used the Current Population Survey (CPS) and county-level exchange data to determine that around 14.2 million uninsured people are poor enough to either be eligible for Medicaid or a premium-free bronze plan.
But the CPS data they use does not provide real-time data on when people become eligible for these plans. Instead it samples a small percentage of US households many months after the end of the year. You can use the CPS sample to retrospectively estimate how many people must have fallen into this category, but you cannot use it to prospectively identify individuals in this category and automatically enroll them.
When you keep going in the Third Way report that Buttigieg cites, you eventually get linked to the Pathway to Universal Coverage Act of 2018, which is apparently supposed to be the way we administratively tackle this automatic enrollment challenge. The problem here is that the bill doesn’t actually provide any way of identifying eligible people for automatic enrollment. Instead it proposes granting money to states so that maybe they can innovate a way to do this.
Nobody has any idea how you could possibly identify people in real time who slip into eligibility but never go to the welfare office to fill out the forms. This is because it is not possible. Income information is not reported in real time. Household changes are not reported in real time. For as much as the Left gets dinged for its belief that the bureaucracy can accomplish great things, it is really highly targeted centrist plans that reveal the most insane levels of optimism in the capabilities of the bureaucracy.
This is, in a nutshell, what is wrong with technocracy as it has come to be known in the discourse. What masquerades as technical competence and a light touch is, more often than not, really science fantasy delusions about what a state can actually successfully administer.
And that is just the first step.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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