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Message 16 of 87 (853649)
05-30-2019 8:42 AM
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05-30-2019 12:33 AM


Re: Elizabeth Warren?
At this time I am firmly in the Warren camp. She aligns well with my views and she is very accomplished and has solid policy plans.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 17 of 87 (853651)
05-30-2019 9:30 AM
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Re: Elizabeth Warren?
I just donated a small amount of money to her campaign. First time I've ever donated money to a candidate's campaign.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Message 18 of 87 (853654)
05-30-2019 9:54 AM


Should this thread be renamed?
Any objection to renaming this thread, "The Campaign for the Democratic Presidential Nomination"?

--Percy
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Message 19 of 87 (853656)
05-30-2019 11:37 AM
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Re: Should this thread be renamed?
That sounds like a good idea. Makes sense to me.
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Message 20 of 87 (853663)
05-30-2019 12:59 PM
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05-06-2019 9:55 AM


ramoss writes:

I like Bernies ideas, but he's just too old, and too much of a one issue candidate. Biden just does not enthuse me either. I would like to see someone who hasn't reached their 70th birthday by the time they get sworn in.'

My thoughts exactly. It would be nice to see someone around the ages of Bill Clinton and Obama who can exude some youthful exuberance and connect with people of different age groups. On top of that, anyone in their 60's who has been in politics is probably going to have something sexist, mysogynistic, racist, or anachronistic in their past which can be dug up and paraded about. Biden's actions during the Anita Hill hearings is already troublesome. As Obama demonstrated (and Trump), the less political history you have the better.

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 21 of 87 (853665)
05-30-2019 1:11 PM
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I agree with everything you say here.

On top of that, anyone in their 60's who has been in politics is probably going to have something sexist, mysogynistic, racist, or anachronistic in their past which can be dug up and paraded about.

I think in situations where this does come up the candidate's only response should be replaying "Access Holywood tape" and a list of the women who accused Trump, and no other discussion.


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Message 22 of 87 (853666)
05-30-2019 1:36 PM
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05-30-2019 12:59 PM


In regards to both Biden and Sanders, I'm mostly worried about women and minorities having to put up with yet another old white man telling them what's good for them.

Neither candidate strikes me as someone who'd listen as someone tries to tell them what they don't want to hear.


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Message 23 of 87 (853668)
05-30-2019 3:31 PM
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05-30-2019 1:11 PM


Tanypteryx writes:

I think in situations where this does come up the candidate's only response should be replaying "Access Holywood tape" and a list of the women who accused Trump, and no other discussion.

The difference is that people who are going to vote for Trump don't care about those things. The real danger is dispassionate Democratic voters who don't show up to the polls. Hillary, for whatever reason, failed to get people to the polls because they weren't that excited to vote for her.


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Message 24 of 87 (853669)
05-30-2019 3:36 PM
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05-30-2019 1:36 PM


Chiroptera writes:

In regards to both Biden and Sanders, I'm mostly worried about women and minorities having to put up with yet another old white man telling them what's good for them.

Years ago I worked a retail job part time. I was busy with some other tasks and failed to help out some customers to the extent they were expecting. They complained to my boss, and I then explained how I really did help them. He patiently explained to me that "perception is reality" when it comes to interacting with the public, and I have remembered that lesson ever since.

This is the problem that Biden and Sanders are going to run up against. They can say and even believe all the right things, but perception is reality. Sometimes it's not what you say, but who says it.

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Message 25 of 87 (853673)
05-30-2019 6:01 PM
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05-30-2019 1:11 PM


WHAT WOMEN have "accused" Trump of anything? That's a lle!
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Message 26 of 87 (853675)
05-30-2019 6:06 PM
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Faith writes:

WHAT WOMEN have "accused" Trump of anything?

16 women have accused Trump of inappropriate behavior to sexual assault. Whether these claims are true is another question, but there have been accusations.

One example (the link has the other 15):

quote:

Jill Harth said she had dinner with Trump and her then-boyfriend, George Houraney, in 1992 when Trump allegedly tried to put his hands between her legs. She alleged he also tried to kiss her during a tour of his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida a month later when she and Houraney were there to celebrate solidifying a business contract.

Harth filed a lawsuit in 1997 alleging that Trump groped her and sexually harassed her, but she withdrew the suit, she says, as a condition of settling a separate financial dispute with him.
https://abcnews.go.com/...llegations-sexual-misconduct/story



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Message 27 of 87 (853682)
05-30-2019 6:27 PM
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05-30-2019 6:01 PM


Faith writes:

WHAT WOMEN have "accused" Trump of anything? That's a lle!

Trump's sexual assault allegations: The full list of women who have accused the President

quote:
Here’s a roundup of those women who have accused Mr Trump of sexual assault or harassment.

Alva Johonson, a former Trump campaign staffer, said she had to avoid a kiss from Mr Trump while on a trip to Florida in August of 2016. The White House has denied this most recent accusation, as have some members of the Trump team who say they were present.

Jessica Leeds, a former traveling salesperson, alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while on a first-class flight in the 1980s. Ms Leeds was in her late 30s at the time.Jill Harth, a former business partner of Mr Trump’s, said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips, groped her breasts, and grabbed her genitals in what she described in a 1997 as an “attempted rape”. The encounter allegedly occurred at Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, in one of his children’s bedroom. She also says that Mr Trump groped her under the table at a dinner with colleagues at the Plaza Hotel.

Kristen Anderson alleged that Mr Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals over her underwear at the China Club in Manhattan at some point in the early 1990s when she was in her early 20s. Ms Anderson was an aspiring model at the time.

Lisa Boyne accused Mr Trump of insisting that female models walk across a table at a New York restaurant in 1996, and then remarking on their underwear and genitalia. She was 25 at the time.

Cathy Heller says that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips during a Mother’s Day brunch at mar-a-Lago in 1997.

Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, has alleged that says that Mr Trump walked into a dressing room unannounced in 1997. She said that there were several teen beauty queens aged between 15 and 19 in the room naked at the time.

Karena Virginia alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car after the US Open.

Bridget Sullivan, a former Miss New Hampshire, alleged that Mr Trump walked into the Miss USA pageant dressing room in 2000 while contestants were naked. She was 19 at the time.

Tasha Dixon, a former Miss Arizona, alleged that Mr Trump entered dressing rooms at the Miss USA pageant in 2001 while contestants were “half-naked”.

Melinda Macgillivray alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttock in a pavilion behind the main house of his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2003. They were in the middle of a group of people, she said, and it was during a concert performed by Ray Charles.

Jennifer Murphy said that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her after a job interview in 2005. She was 26 at the time.

Rachel Cooks alleged that Mr Trump kissed her forcibly on the lips outside the elevator in Trump Tower in 2005. She was 22 at the time.

Natasha Stoynoff alleged that Mr Trump pushed her against a wall and forcibly kissed her in a closed-door room in his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2005. Ms Stoynoff, a writer for PEOPLE magazine, was there to interview Mr Trump.

Ninni Laaksonen alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks while taking photos outside the Ed Sullivan Theater, and before Mr Trump appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman. Ms Laaksonen was 20 at the time, in 2006.

Jessica Drake alleged that Mr Trump forcibly kissed her and two female friends in 2006, when she was 32. When she pushed him away, she said that he asked her: “How much?”

Samantha Holvey, a former Miss North Carolina, alleged that Mr Trump treated women like “meat” and would barge into dressing rooms to inspect women. She said the incidents occurred in 2006, when she was 20.

Summer Zervos alleged that Mr Trump grabbed her by her shoulders and forcibly kissed her, and groped her breasts, while she was a contestant on The Apprentice in 2007. She said the incidents took place at Trump Tower in New York, and at a hotel in Los Angeles.

Cassandra Searles, a former Miss Washington, said that Mr Trump grabbed her buttocks repeatedly in 2013 during the Miss USA pageant in 2013. She said that he also invited her to his hotel room.


The 23 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct

Donald Trump is one of
263 celebrities, politicians, CEOs, and others who have been accused of sexual misconduct since April 2017

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations


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The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 28 of 87 (853684)
05-30-2019 6:30 PM
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05-30-2019 6:27 PM


Prove it.
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Message 29 of 87 (853687)
05-30-2019 6:44 PM
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05-30-2019 6:30 PM


You asked what women and I answered. If that's not good enough, go piss up a rope.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 30 of 87 (853699)
05-30-2019 11:00 PM


I don’t know who I will end up supporting come November 2020.

Right now I feel more affection for Pocahontas and Beto than the rest but all that can change.

I will put time in for Sen Warren’s local campaign. If she becomes non-viable I will switch to my then favorite, whoever that be.

In the end I will actively enthusiastically work for whoever is the Democrat nominee. I have my druthers but if that isn’t to be then so be whatever.

No matter who you support early please remember that at the end of the process the overriding goal of this next election is to get that narcissistic idiot out of the Oval Office.

It really doesn't matter which democrat you support. Pick one and go to work for them even if only 2-3 nights a month.

There will only be two choices. Don't dilute the strength of our opposition to Trump by going all googly eyes over some third party. We cannot allow the Trumpettes to slide to victory again.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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