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RAZD
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Message 301 of 412 (871149)
01-29-2020 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by LamarkNewAge
01-28-2020 11:55 PM


but the electoral college effect is not considered
The 3 most recent polls are the above Washington Post ABC poll and a FOX poll and the Emerson poll.

What I want to see is a poll that goes state by state and then inputs that into the electoral college systemic bias.

That would be more accurate in general election results.

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Message 302 of 412 (871197)
01-29-2020 8:21 PM
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01-29-2020 11:37 AM


Re: but the electoral college effect is not considered
Attempt 3
I lost my 2 attempts due to phone clicks being difficult.

Sanders6did good in a Texas Lyceum poll. Only lost to Trump 50 to 47 while others did worse.

Liberals do win by smaller margins in deep blue states but do. Better in the states that count.

See Nate silvers 538 site and Real Clear for latest polls


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Message 303 of 412 (871199)
01-29-2020 8:29 PM


Florida Atlantic University Jan 9 to 12 Poll
Sanders beats Trump 53 to 47 while Biden was up 51 to 49

Others lost

Edited by AdminPhat, : spellling. I hate smart phones auto correct


  
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Message 304 of 412 (871267)
01-30-2020 8:52 PM


William Saletan of Slate is an example of b.s.
He had a Jan 28 article showing polls which have 70 percent of Americans and 25 percent of Democrats saying that they would never vote for a socialist. Then he shows that a Democratic Socialist gets 57 to 59 percent of voters saying that they could never support.

He looks at lots of polls on label questions.

He ignores the NBC Marist poll that had Sanders beat Trump 51 to 43 percent a week or so ago.

In New Hampshire.

This is a state that Trump6did 2 petcen6better than the national average in 2016.

This state is one that knows what Sanders GOP opponents say every 2 years when he runs for reelection in Vermont. Republicans buy scary socialist ads for every election and air them in New Hampshire.


  
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Message 305 of 412 (871268)
01-30-2020 8:52 PM


William Saletan of Slate is an example of b.s.
He had a Jan 28 article showing polls which have 70 percent of Americans and 25 percent of Democrats saying that they would never vote for a socialist. Then he shows that a Democratic Socialist gets 57 to 59 percent of voters saying that they could never support.

He looks at lots of polls on label questions.

He ignores the NBC Marist poll that had Sanders beat Trump 51 to 43 percent a week or so ago.

In New Hampshire.

This is a state that Trump6did 2 petcen6better than the national average in 2016.

This state is one that knows what Sanders GOP opponents say every 2 years when he runs for reelection in Vermont. Republicans buy scary socialist ads for every election and air them in New Hampshire.


  
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Message 306 of 412 (871294)
01-31-2020 1:48 PM


Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
I am still in the Warren camp, but ads like this make me very comfortable if Sanders gets the nomination.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 307 of 412 (871297)
01-31-2020 2:25 PM
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01-31-2020 1:48 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
What a llying demagogic racist divisive speech.

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Message 308 of 412 (871298)
01-31-2020 2:41 PM


Latest poll on 538 site is TIPP IBD poll Jan 23 to 30
Sanders beats Trump by wider margin than Biden and Bloomberg.

Side note. My ZTE phone had Bloomberg ready after I typed BIDEN AND.

There were 3 options for selected words and BLOOMBERG was one of the three.

I did not even type a B or a b.

Anyway Bloomberg is up by 48 to 47.

Biden 49 to 48

Sanders is up 49 to 47

But a L A Times poll has Biden up 49 to 40 while Sanders is up 47 to 40.

Still Sanders beats Trump by a good margin.

And my ZTE Advantage phone is amazing. After I typed SANDERS then the words BEATS and TrUMP were each respectivly1 of the 3 avalible at the right time. I was about to type them anyway but my time was saved.

Now Trump will really go after ZTE even more. Lol.


  
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Message 309 of 412 (871302)
01-31-2020 3:18 PM
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01-31-2020 2:25 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
How is it lying or racist?
Facts please, not the lies and assertions you usually spout.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 310 of 412 (871306)
01-31-2020 3:53 PM
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01-31-2020 3:18 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
The racism is that it hates and blames a particular group of people for all the problems in the entire country, and in a way that threatens violence. It lles about the problem of inequality which has just about been wiped out already, it just keeps on trying to keep an emotion-driven mentality fired up against a particular segment of the population, white males who have any degree of success I guess is how to define them, in a way which is false and dangerous.

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Message 311 of 412 (871310)
01-31-2020 3:59 PM
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01-31-2020 3:53 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
The racism is that it hates and blames a particular group of people for all the problems in the entire country, and in a way that threatens violence.

So holding the 1% accountable for the problems they are causing is racism? Please explain how that works. Show me where in the video there is a threat of violence.
It lles about the problem of inequality which has just about been wiped out already

Really? Tell that to the people of Puerto Rico. The citizens of Iranian descent stopped at the border. How do you explain the continuing pay gap between white men and all other groups? This video explicitly did not attack white males. Show me where it did.
Do you have an issue with a black man speaking truth to power?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 312 of 412 (871314)
01-31-2020 4:10 PM
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01-31-2020 3:59 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
There is no insitutiobnal inequality. People with a grievance have all sorts of legal resources. This activist mentality in that speech is in itself violent and intended to be.

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Message 313 of 412 (871315)
01-31-2020 4:11 PM
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01-31-2020 4:10 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
So you got nothing to support your assertions. As usual. Thanks for playing.
Set to ignore.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 314 of 412 (871326)
01-31-2020 5:14 PM
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01-31-2020 3:53 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
So racism and inequality have been wiped out. That is kind of funny coming from an entitled old white lady.
Here are some facts.

quote:
The reality is that white parents are never going to really accept the premise of Brown v. Board. They might–might–accept it if the students their kids go to school with are wealthy and “act right” but actual racial and class diversity is anathema and everything in our society tells them to make sure their children go to effectively segregated school.

It isn't just white conservatives it is the liberals too.
You might want to tell my kid there is no more racism. He is one of 3 black kids in his school and he gets called the n-word about once week. I have had to report parents to the school because of comments I have heard. I had to call the cops on a parent when I approached him after he called my kid the n-word.
I am a white hispanic. Any idea how many times I hear anti hispanic comments? I have a Puerto Rican flag in my car, wanna guess how many times I have been cursed or had notes left on my car or swear words written on my car since the hurricane in Puerto Rico.
You are an entitled white person. Don't you dare tell me there is no discrimination or racism in this country.
Oh yeah, Fuck you.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Edited by Theodoric, : More forceful ending. Still pissed.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 315 of 412 (871353)
02-01-2020 10:45 AM
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01-31-2020 2:25 PM


Re: Powerful ad from Sanders campaign
Faith writes:

What a llying demagogic racist divisive speech.


You can not be that stupid.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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