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Hyroglyphx
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Message 496 of 505 (875586)
04-29-2020 3:12 PM
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04-29-2020 2:10 PM


Re: Cuomo for President
Even I concur with that notion. And it is something Obama himself chimed in on in regards to 'cancel culture' and the incessant predilection of focusing on identity politics.

I'm so glad he did. The Oppression Olympics is really growing tiresome. We need sane and sound minds to steer us back from the brink.

The fixation on AOC also was beyond frustrating. I am sorry, but she is basically the Sarah Palin of the Democratic party. And placing her on an undeserved pedestal did the Democrats no favors.

Completely agree.

Now the $64,000 dollar question is: who is the likely VP nominee? I think Sanders supporters would like to see him selected. But having two old men is likely not going to be the tactical solution.

I have a sneaking suspicion that they will choose Warren, but I also think they might go for someone more youthful.

Looking at the candidate pool, it is difficult for me to gauge who would be best suited in the VP role. I think some may push for Kamala Harris. Maybe not a bad option, but that could energize Trump's base because anyone coming from, ahem, 'Commiefornia' might end up having too much baggage. (No offense to the Californians on this forum)

I don't trust Kamala Harris. She reeks of self-servitude and corruption to me.

I also liked Tulsi Gabbard and I think she might have made sense as a VP option. But like you indicated, the media decided to undermine her and that may have now made it non-viable for her to enter the fray.

If he chose her I would immediately vote for Biden. She goes both ways though. She does have the ability to bring over swing voters like me. She's Center-Left, which might as well be Center-Right to disaffected right-leaning people like me who think Trump is dangerous. Don't be fooled by FOX News, there are a legion of people like me. But the Democrats might really not like her for not being left enough. They may demand that he choose someone with more appeal to their likes.

I guess the one name that could be floated now is Cuomo. He has become pretty popular as a result of his response to Covid-19. He seems to have a fair amount of respect and doesn't appear too much on the fringe. And based on the sentiment of many Democrats feeling he should be the person running for president, if he is chosen as a VP option, that might tip the scales in the Democrats favor come November.

Yeah, he's managed to secure this kind of Mayor Gulliani fan base that was popular on the right. A no nonsense, back to basics Democrat with a growing fan base. He would certainly not be the worst option, especially if he continues to ride this wave of success.


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Diomedes
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Message 497 of 505 (875595)
04-30-2020 8:36 AM
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04-29-2020 3:12 PM


Re: Cuomo for President
One other consideration with regards to Biden are the recent sexual assault claims that are surfacing against him:

Evidence emerges for sex-assault allegation against Biden

This is a tenuous situation for both Biden and the Democrats. Since they took such a strong stance during the Kavanaugh hearing regarding the claims against him by Christine Blasey Ford, if they don't address the claims by Tara Reade against Biden, they risk coming across as huge hypocrites. Of course, if there is validity to the claims, then they risk losing their presidential nominee.


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Message 498 of 505 (875596)
04-30-2020 8:50 AM
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04-30-2020 8:36 AM


Re: Cuomo for President
It's always a good idea to move to Plan "B" earlier than too late.

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Message 499 of 505 (875602)
04-30-2020 11:17 AM
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04-30-2020 8:50 AM


Re: Cuomo for President
If such could be accomplished then so be it.

But we all know the reality of the American two-party system and the conduct of both parties internal workings. Changing horses this late in the process is not going to happen in either.

However, should a starquake occur and the universe slip into an alternate reality I will work and vote blue no matter who.

This nation and world have suffered enough indignity at the hands of that Orange Bastard. The spekical of the whole world laughing at him at the UN, degradation or withdrawal from all international organizations for his personal petty reasons, deliberately ignoring the suffering of Puerto Rico after hurricane Maria, defunding the WHO in the midsts of a global pandemic in an anti-China tantrum, betrayal of military allies leading to unnecessary suffering, abandonment of environmental protocols at the behest of his business lobbyists, the gutting of environmental, pollution, education and banking regulations while the nation is distracted by COVID-19, and the list goes on.

This must be ended.

It matters not with who.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Factio Republicana delenda est.

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Message 500 of 505 (875604)
04-30-2020 11:38 AM
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04-30-2020 11:17 AM


Re: Cuomo for President
Basics.

Wilbur Mills, JFK, Clinton, Biden are all Sex Perverts.

Thomas, Kavanaugh and Trump are not sex perverts.

"Why", one might ask?

Why does Trump's base never hold the Televangelists or Trump to the same standards they apply to Wilbur Mills, JFK, Clinton or Biden? Why are Thomas and Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS and Trump President?

The answer really is both simple and most informative.

It really is SOURCE over CONTENT.

The charges against Biden, whether justified or not will count against him while the charges against Trump, Kavanaugh or Thomas did not and will not affect the Trump Base.


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Message 501 of 505 (875605)
04-30-2020 11:52 AM
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04-30-2020 11:38 AM


Re: Cuomo for President
Then ...

sex pervert for president.


Factio Republicana delenda est.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 502 of 505 (875606)
04-30-2020 12:00 PM
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04-30-2020 11:17 AM


Re: Cuomo for President
defunding the WHO in the midsts of a global pandemic in an anti-China tantrum

Not to derail the conversation and I would absolutely agree that this is hardly the time to play politics with the WHO and China, but there is good evidence to suggest that the WHO protects China who is lying through their teeth about Covid-19. Only an idiot would believe that China's cases have suddenly disappeared. They're also desperately trying to say that the disease did not come from their disgusting, tepid wet markets.

The WHO is also conspiring on behalf of China, most likely because they are a huge donor, by playing ball in assisting China in denying Taiwan's independence. This is actually pretty comical.

The leader of the WHO has also leveled accusations of 'racism' against the Taiwanese government in the most underhanded way. Oh, but I thought Taiwan is just a province of China? So then isn't the Chinese that are being "racist" against the current leader of the WHO? Which is it, cuz you can't have it both ways?

China is a quagmire for the United States. On the one hand we are each others largest trading partners. Both countries have trillions of dollars wrapped up in each other in a symbiotic relationship. But China very clearly is playing the long game with the United States in efforts to supplant the US has the world leader. No country has engaged in more corporate espionage than China.

They have suppressed the freedom of their own people through censorship and assassinations. They have additionally reeked havoc on Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Tibet, constantly denying them true autonomy.

The PRC is disgusting. On the one hand I like that Trump pushes back against their tyranny, but the manner in which he does it endangers the world by setting up a huge military conflict that is poised to become World War III. Trump tries too hard to be a tough guy and has zero finesse for how to effectively reign in China.

As to the WHO, their blatant pandering to China should be called out.... but this is not the time to do it. Defunding them at this stage only serves to kill more people. Contain the virus and then we can talk about their games.

betrayal of military allies leading to unnecessary suffering, abandonment of environmental protocols at the behest of his business lobbyists, the gutting of environmental, pollution, education and banking regulations while the nation is distracted by COVID-19, and the list goes on

No argument with the rest.


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Message 503 of 505 (875612)
04-30-2020 12:45 PM


I am no fan of the Chinese government - their human rights record is appalling, and their grip on power and suppression of their people is something to be fought against.

I would, however, caution against us in the West looking at things through First World goggles. Poverty and poor living conditions are not things which can be waived away overnight - it takes a long time to beat, and whilst we can attack the Chinese government for not doing more to spread the wealth and remove some of the problems which come with poverty, we should be careful not to blame the powerless people living in those conditions for doing what they have to do to survive.

We may well see wet markets as disgusting and unhygienic, but let’s not use language which can be interpreted as blaming the Chinese people who use them for doing what they have to do, to avoid them and their kids starving to death.

If you want to refer to China, best to refer to the Chinese government - the vast majority of the Chinese people are just doing what they have to do to survive.

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Message 504 of 505 (875616)
04-30-2020 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 497 by Diomedes
04-30-2020 8:36 AM


Biden Rape Accusation History
Diomedes writes:

One other consideration with regards to Biden are the recent sexual assault claims that are surfacing against him:

Here's the history.

Katie Halper original audio interview with Tara Reade.

Ryan Grim's original print story.

Notice the March 24 date. No coverage by MSM until NYT story exonerating Biden dated April 12 The Biden campaign insisted they edit out the line "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable."

New York Times Executive Editor Dean Baquet indicated that the second half of the sentence was deleted as a result of a complaint from the Biden campaign.

one source out of several.

Baquet is a welfare queen cashing unearned paychecks. The Executive Editor at the NYT is the Biden campaign.

This is a tenuous situation for both Biden and the Democrats. Since they took such a strong stance during the Kavanaugh hearing regarding the claims against him by Christine Blasey Ford, if they don't address the claims by Tara Reade against Biden, they risk coming across as huge hypocrites. Of course, if there is validity to the claims, then they risk losing their presidential nominee.

Ryan Grim also broke the Christine Blasey Ford story. Real journalists report, fake ones propagandize.

Edited by anglagard, : Bad URL ending.


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Message 505 of 505 (875899)
05-09-2020 10:46 AM
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04-30-2020 6:36 PM


What the F is Biden DOING?
Notice the March 24 date. No coverage by MSM until NYT story exonerating Biden dated April 12 The Biden campaign insisted they edit out the line "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable."

What is evident is that the DNC will still choose Biden, whether it is hypocritical or not ... because they don't have a backup they want.

The question I have is

What in the world is Biden doing to get public attention?

Trump is out there every day, even several times a day, and Biden is virtually invisible.

He needs to be on the attack NOW, every day. Talking about how Trump is failing the American People, fact-checking his lies and saying what he would be doing. Set up a response team and put together a COVID team to recommend/say what Trump should be doing, experts not muffled by Trump. Get together with Bernie to promote a recovery package for working people not Wall Street.

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