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RAZD
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Message 76 of 89 (854732)
06-12-2019 7:42 AM
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06-12-2019 6:59 AM


Re: The candidates, after Bernie
quote:
Chicago Tribune Staff May 16, 2019

Campaign 2020: The list of Democratic presidential candidates who want to topple Trump

Officially in: NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio, Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet, Former Vice President Joe Biden, South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton, California Rep. Eric Swalwell, Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, former Rep. Beto O’Rourke, former Gov. John Hickenlooper, Gov. Jay Inslee, Sen. Bernie Sanders, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Sen. Cory Booker, Sen. Kamala Harris, ex-San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, former Rep. John Delaney, Miramar, Fla., Mayor Wayne Messam, author Marianne Williamson, and former tech executive Andrew Yang.


Let's put them in a numbered list, alphabetically by last name just for kicks:

  1. Michael Bennet,
  2. Joe Biden,
  3. Cory Booker,
  4. Bill de Blasio
  5. Steve Bullock,
  6. Pete Buttigieg,
  7. Julian Castro,
  8. John Delaney,
  9. Tulsi Gabbard,
  10. Kirsten Gillibrand,
  11. Kamala Harris,
  12. John Hickenlooper,
  13. Jay Inslee,
  14. Amy Klobuchar,
  15. Wayne Messam,
  16. Seth Moulton,
  17. Beto O’Rourke,
  18. Tim Ryan,
  19. Bernie Sanders,
  20. Eric Swalwell,
  21. Elizabeth Warren,
  22. Marianne Williamson,
  23. Andrew Yang

Now reorder them in your preferences. Mine are

    Top 10

  1. Bernie Sanders,
  2. Elizabeth Warren,
  3. Tulsi Gabbard,
  4. Kirsten Gillibrand,
  5. Kamala Harris,
  6. Pete Buttigieg,
  7. Cory Booker,
  8. Jay Inslee,
  9. Amy Klobuchar,
  10. Julian Castro,

    Middle Ground

  11. Marianne Williamson,
  12. Andrew Yang
  13. Seth Moulton,
  14. Tim Ryan,
  15. Steve Bullock,
  16. Michael Bennet,
  17. Eric Swalwell,
  18. John Hickenlooper,
  19. John Delaney,
  20. Wayne Messam,

    Bottom

  21. Bill de Blasio
  22. Beto O’Rourke,

    Disaster

  23. Joe Biden,

If we were doing ranked voting at primaries this is the way I would currently rank them.

If we were doing instant runoff voting at primaries I would have each candidate beat the ones below thim.

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Message 77 of 89 (854736)
06-12-2019 8:46 AM


I do not think that the US should loose any Democratic Senator to a Presidential bid. I feel almost as strongly about Representatives. For the foreseeable future the US Congress will be more important that the Presidency.

The President proposes but it is the Congress that disposes.

Let Trump have a second term but simply continue to totally and completely ignore every really dumb thing he proposes.

Make it clear that "Yes, Trump is an idiot but he is our idiot so please be nice to him. Hang his drawings on the refrigerator and give him Super Hero stickers for his coloring book."


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Message 78 of 89 (854753)
06-12-2019 11:37 AM
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06-12-2019 8:46 AM


jar writes:

I do not think that the US should loose any Democratic Senator to a Presidential bid. I feel almost as strongly about Representatives. For the foreseeable future the US Congress will be more important that the Presidency.
The President proposes but it is the Congress that disposes.

Without a 2/3 majority in the Senate, veto power is still a real thing.


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Message 79 of 89 (854759)
06-12-2019 12:24 PM
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06-12-2019 11:37 AM


Taq writes:

Without a 2/3 majority in the Senate, veto power is still a real thing.

True but a simple majority in the House and Senate is an even bigger thing.

If il Donald vetoes every single bill passed in Congress the worst that would happen is once again the US Government gets shut down but with a very clear picture of who is responsible.


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Message 80 of 89 (854760)
06-12-2019 12:34 PM
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06-12-2019 12:24 PM


Actually, having an idiot like Trump in the White House makes it clearer to me what a good system of checks and balances you guys have.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 81 of 89 (854767)
06-12-2019 2:50 PM


Jon Stewart schools Congress
Not sure how many people saw this, but Jon Stewart (former host of the Daily Show) spoke before Congress regarding their inability to ratify a proper 9/11 First Responders bill to help so many of the fire fighters, police officers, EMTs, etc. that ended up with health issues as a result of the dust from the World Trade Center collapses. Video below shows his speech. Gotta admit, this was a very powerful display.

I guess the main takeaway from my perspective is Congress is always going to be partisan. But I think they all need to take a step back in times like this and just simply set aside differences and at long last, do the right thing.


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Message 82 of 89 (854768)
06-12-2019 2:55 PM
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06-12-2019 2:50 PM


Re: Jon Stewart schools Congress
I guess the main takeaway from my perspective is Congress is always going to be partisan. But I think they all need to take a step back in times like this and just simply set aside differences and at long last, do the right thing.

The "right thing" is never going to be in the Republican bag of tricks.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 83 of 89 (854770)
06-12-2019 3:26 PM
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06-12-2019 2:50 PM


Re: Jon Stewart schools Congress
just simply set aside differences and at long last, do the right thing.

With the republicans in the senate? That's asking too much. No political advantage to it.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 84 of 89 (854908)
06-13-2019 9:57 PM


Tired Joe Biden
Trump called Joe Biden sleepy, but I just caught 30 seconds of Biden speaking in Iowa during the monologue on last night’s Stephen Colbert show and he didn’t look sleepy but tired and unanimated and boring and unfocused. Unless it was just a bad 30 seconds, no way is Biden going to be our next president.

—Percy


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Message 85 of 89 (854963)
06-14-2019 12:33 PM
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06-13-2019 9:57 PM


Re: Tired Joe Biden
Percy writes:

Unless it was just a bad 30 seconds, no way is Biden going to be our next president.


Back in the 80s when Brian Mulroney was Prime Minister of Canada, he was away at some international conference. A lady I worked with objected, saying he should be here running the country. I told her that, as far as I was concerned, the farther away he was the better off the country was.

So Rip van Winkle for President.


All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 86 of 89 (855086)
06-16-2019 11:50 AM


Krugman: Warren is serious, not Serious
Friday's column by Paul Krugman:

Liberal Wonks, or at Least Elizabeth Warren, Have a Plan for That

An interesting column by Krugman. He compares Warren's campaign favorably with the other candidates for the Democratic nomination. While the other candidates' campaigns consist largely of platitutudes and very broad, general "visions", Warren is offering more specific, detailed plans about what she wants to do.

Furthermore, actual experts in the relevant fields point out that most of her ideas are workable and arguably necessary.

Even better, her idea resonate and are supported by large proportions of the electorate.

The reason I find Krugman's column interesting is that I had him pegged as an Establishment Liberal. In 2016 (when I started reading his columns), he was rather critical of Sanders and clearly supported Clinton. While half his criticisms were cogent (and interesting to read), the other half, to me, seemed to miss the point of Sanders' campaign.

But over the years, I've noticed him supporting more progressive policies and candidates. So either I misread him years ago, or Trump and the nihilist party has moved him to the left.

Or maybe he just appreciates a politician who actually knows what she's talking about.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 87 of 89 (855115)
06-16-2019 2:54 PM
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06-16-2019 11:50 AM


Re: Krugman: Warren is serious, not Serious
I think Krugman has reconciled himself with the idea of the need for progressive ideas and action. In this piece he clearly shows the difference between Sanders and Warren
Though they have similar political ideology and vision, Warren has a plan for that while Sanders is stuck on the rhetoric.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 88 of 89 (855302)
06-18-2019 3:39 PM
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06-08-2019 3:30 PM


Re: The candidates
And they're all women

Did you miss the part where I was critical of men on the list or that I lauded Tulsi Gabbard as being 1 of 2 considerations for my vote?

And they are each expert-level knowledgeable in their field, Congress and the law and effective leadership, world affairs, and banking and finance. You may not like their personalities or histories, but I don't think you can credibly deny their qualifications.

You cited Mitch McConnell in the previous paragraph... does his "expert-level knowledge" give him any credibility? No, I didn't think so... I mean, to say that a politician is knowledgeable of politics is about as redundant as a plumber being knowledgeable about plumbing.

Can you name any Republicans that are not hyper-partisan considering Trump's 90+% approval from Republicans?

Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Arlen Specter, John McCain, Joe Lierberman, etc come to mind as people willing to reach across the aisle. But of course, more could be said of the question itself. Because of this hyper-partisan political climate we live in, as soon as I was critical of people from the Democratic Party you rushed in to counter with Republicans. I'm not a Republican and I'm very critical of Donald Trump who, by the way, was a lifelong Democrat up until about 10-5 years ago.... I guess that means he's willing to reach across the aisle too!


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Message 89 of 89 (855309)
06-18-2019 4:08 PM
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06-18-2019 3:39 PM


Re: The candidates
And they're all women

Did you miss the part where I was critical of men on the list or that I lauded Tulsi Gabbard as being 1 of 2 considerations for my vote?

I didn't see any men on the list in the message I was answering.

quote:
Pelosi, Clinton and Warren come to mind as being disingenuous and hyper-partisan.

You cited Mitch McConnell in the previous paragraph... does his "expert-level knowledge" give him any credibility? No, I didn't think so... I mean, to say that a politician is knowledgeable of politics is about as redundant as a plumber being knowledgeable about plumbing.

I am unaware of Mitch McConnell having any knowledge in any of the fields I listed other than Congress. And I did not say anything about knowledge of politics.

Tanypteryx writes:

And they are each expert-level knowledgeable in their field, Congress and the law and effective leadership, world affairs, and banking and finance. You may not like their personalities or histories, but I don't think you can credibly deny their qualifications.

Hyropglyphx writes:

Because of this hyper-partisan political climate we live in, as soon as I was critical of people from the Democratic Party you rushed in to counter with Republicans.

Actually I rushed in to point out that hyperpartisonship is hardly surprising considering McConnell's anti-American bullshit.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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