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Theodoric
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Message 136 of 202 (853956)
06-03-2019 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
05-31-2019 5:02 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Since no reply to my questions you obviously have no evidence to back the assertions you made in this post. As I assumed.
This post is not for you, but to make sure the lurkers are aware that you make many claims that are not backed up by any evidence or facts, whatsoever.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 137 of 202 (853957)
06-03-2019 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Theodoric
06-03-2019 9:05 AM


Google page on early Church rescuing babies **** to die
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=we...-********************************************************************************\\

Some of the above escaped the Mad Censor if you want to use Peek

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Theodoric
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Message 138 of 202 (853958)
06-03-2019 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by Sarah Bellum
06-02-2019 7:50 AM


Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
THat is not a medical term it is a political term. The purpose of the term is to enflame and incite It was first used by a forced birther organization NRLC in 1995.
quote:
And contrary to the claims of some abortion opponents, most such abortions do not take place in the third trimester of pregnancy, or after fetal "viability."

To show how vile forced birthers are.
quote:
Indeed, many abortion opponents believe even severely deformed fetuses should be delivered regardless of their prospects for a healthy life.
"We don't believe that sick babies — babies with disabilities — should be pulled out by the legs and struck through the head," Right to Life's Johnson told The New Republic. "We believe they should live out their life — whether it's a few minutes or six hours."

The whole issue of partial-birth abortion is an manufactured canard.
Intact D&E is in fact safer for the pregnant woman, but who cares about her. If you want to bring up and vilify intact D&E, then learn about it and understand it, don't throw out a charged, loaded term and think you have won the debate, because you have not. All you have done is expose your ignorance.
https://www.npr.org/...th-abortion-separating-fact-from-spin


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 139 of 202 (853959)
06-03-2019 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by AZPaul3
06-02-2019 12:33 PM


39 week abortion lie
No one on the forced birther side can come up with a realistic 39 week abortion. Still waiting. It is all lies and smoke and mirrors.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 140 of 202 (853960)
06-03-2019 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by AZPaul3
06-02-2019 1:05 PM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
Unless you have some other data.

All the pro-birther side has is anecdotes and hypotheticals. They have no real life examples or data to support their attempt to push their moral values on society as a whole.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 141 of 202 (853961)
06-03-2019 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
06-02-2019 3:18 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Stop saying dumb things.

Troll.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 142 of 202 (853962)
06-03-2019 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Theodoric
06-03-2019 9:19 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Google page on "partial birth abortion" doesn't suggest a political origin for the term:


Intact dilation and extraction - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intact_dilation_and_extraction

In the U.S., a federal statute defines "partial-birth abortion" as any abortion in which the **** of the fetus is terminated after having been extracted from the mother's body to a point "past the navel [of the fetus]" or "in the case of head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother" ...

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act

The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 is a United States law prohibiting a form of late termination of pregnancy called "partial-birth abortion", referred to in ...
Public law‎: ‎Pub.L. 108–105
Long title‎: ‎An Act to prohibit the procedure com...
Titles amended‎: ‎18
Enacted by‎: ‎the 108th United States Congress
‎Provisions · ‎Partial-birth abortion ... · ‎Legislative and judicial ... · ‎Public opinion


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Theodoric
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Message 143 of 202 (853963)
06-03-2019 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Faith
06-03-2019 9:15 AM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
You are breaking a forum rule. Again.
Just because you thought you heard something does not mean that it is factual.
Since you can not support your argument with evidence you should rescind it.
quote:
4. Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.

https://www.evcforum.net/PresentHTML.php?control=webpagep...

Do you think you have a different set of rules than the rest of us.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 144 of 202 (853964)
06-03-2019 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
06-03-2019 9:26 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
If you would actual read what others link to and what even you link to you would not have to be so embarrassed by your posts.
Let's just use your source Wikipedia. From the second page you link to there is this little nugget.
quote:
The phrase "partial-birth abortion" was first coined by Douglas Johnson of the National Right to Life Committee.

More sourcing.

quote:
It's important to note that "partial-birth abortion" is a political term that has no basis in medicine. In fact, the phrase was made up by the National Right to Life Committee in 1995, according to NPR. The NRLC is, of course, an anti-abortion group, and not a medical authority.

https://www.romper.com/...tical-term-not-a-medical-one-21228
https://prospect.org/article/partial-birth-fraud
I believe that is a check mate.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 145 of 202 (853965)
06-03-2019 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Theodoric
06-03-2019 9:42 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Yeah I'm lazy. Doesn't matter what I say about anything, what evidence I do present, it gets trashed here anyway.

Another lazy observation: Looks llke the term has become official no matter where it originated. Is there an alternative term for it you find more acceptable?

The description of the "procedure" seems well described by that term.

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Theodoric
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Message 146 of 202 (853968)
06-03-2019 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Faith
06-03-2019 9:48 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Doesn't matter what I say about anything, what evidence I do present, it gets trashed here anyway.

You never present evidence. All you do is troll.

How about using the actual medical term. Intact dilation and extraction. There is no birth involved. The fetus is either dead already or has severe health issues. You claim that viable infants were born then killed or left to die. Provide actual evidence.
Are continuing being a troll.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 147 of 202 (854000)
06-03-2019 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
05-31-2019 5:02 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Faith writes:

It gives me a stomachache to see that anyone would trash the American founders as you and others do. You are courting complete anarchy and the destruction of the nation.

Oh, please. You must run into a lot of tree branches riding around on that high horse.

The founding fathers were human, like us. They had some good ideas, and some bad ideas. They had some ideas that simply didn't pass the test of time. That's fine. No one is trashing the founding fathers. All we are saying is that society has changed, so our laws need to change with it. We certainly aren't saying that we need to get rid of laws altogehter, just change them.

However, there is a historical point to be made, of which you are obviously completely ignorant. Abortion, or really, infanticide, leaving a newborn out exposed to the elements to die a painful death, was a common practice in all the pagan cultures Christianity eventually supplanted in the West.

Those aren't the same thing.


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Theodoric
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Message 148 of 202 (854018)
06-04-2019 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Faith
06-03-2019 9:15 AM


Re: Google page on early Church rescuing babies left to die
No this does not support your contention about pagan cultures. First of all the page you link to provides no source or data to support it's contention that child abandonment was common in medieval times. Maybe it was, but until I see data and facts I have no reason to believe their assertion.
But if it is true it does not help your claim that ritual infanticide was a pagan practice. The first date in this article is 1198. In 1198 the people that lived around the Tiber were not pagans. They were overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, christian.
To add insult to your claim. Who was it that tried to stop this? Pope Innocent III. A damn catholic.
You should actually read your links. That would allow you to understand them, summarize them and not continue to break forum rules.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Sarah Bellum
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Message 149 of 202 (854069)
06-04-2019 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Chiroptera
06-02-2019 10:16 AM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
But there, you see, when you say that a termination in the ninth month is for serious health reasons, you're conceding that it's a different situation from a termination at, say, seven weeks.
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Message 150 of 202 (854070)
06-04-2019 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by AZPaul3
06-02-2019 12:33 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
When you say it's not a reality do you mean it doesn't happen, or that it shouldn't be permitted?
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