Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 84 (8914 total)
Current session began: 
Page Loaded: 06-18-2019 5:59 AM
35 online now:
Tangle, vimesey (2 members, 33 visitors)
Chatting now:  Chat room empty
Newest Member: 4petdinos
Post Volume:
Total: 853,989 Year: 9,025/19,786 Month: 1,447/2,119 Week: 207/576 Day: 10/98 Hour: 4/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
RewPrev1
...
891011
12
13Next
Author Topic:   Some states protect women's rights
Chiroptera
Member
Posts: 6617
From: Oklahoma
Joined: 09-28-2003
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 166 of 182 (854426)
06-08-2019 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Sarah Bellum
06-08-2019 3:16 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
So the dividing line is at birth?

Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying.

-

That is, do you think there should be more restrictions on later-gestation than on early-gestation abortions?

I don't. I can't speak for anyone else, though.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

This message is a reply to:
 Message 160 by Sarah Bellum, posted 06-08-2019 3:16 PM Sarah Bellum has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 167 by xongsmith, posted 06-08-2019 5:14 PM Chiroptera has acknowledged this reply
 Message 168 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 6:59 PM Chiroptera has acknowledged this reply

  
xongsmith
Member
Posts: 1883
From: massachusetts US
Joined: 01-01-2009
Member Rating: 4.7


Message 167 of 182 (854431)
06-08-2019 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Chiroptera
06-08-2019 4:08 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
So the dividing line is at birth?

Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying.
-

That is, do you think there should be more restrictions on later-gestation than on early-gestation abortions?

I don't. I can't speak for anyone else, though.

well, I've said 21 years should be the line before (mothers only, fathers not). Maybe I meant 18 years. I can't speak for anyone else either.


- xongsmith, 5.7d

This message is a reply to:
 Message 166 by Chiroptera, posted 06-08-2019 4:08 PM Chiroptera has acknowledged this reply

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 31653
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 168 of 182 (854433)
06-08-2019 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Chiroptera
06-08-2019 4:08 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
It's a fully formed baby. Could you watch such an abortion? A stake through the brain of a fully formed baby?
This message is a reply to:
 Message 166 by Chiroptera, posted 06-08-2019 4:08 PM Chiroptera has acknowledged this reply

Replies to this message:
 Message 169 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 7:07 PM Faith has responded

    
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 6264
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.5


Message 169 of 182 (854435)
06-08-2019 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Faith
06-08-2019 6:59 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Please show evidence of a fully formed baby being aborted and left to die. Anecdotes are not evidence.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 168 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 6:59 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 170 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 8:31 PM Theodoric has responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 31653
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 170 of 182 (854439)
06-08-2019 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Theodoric
06-08-2019 7:07 PM


Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
Sorry, anecdotes ARE evidence. Ron Paul witnessed it. Lamark posted on that months ago.

The baby is usually killed before complete delivery, not **** to die.

However, here is a video of the actual procedure. The baby is certainly fully formed. I would mention that the fetus/baby is fully formed and fully recognizable as a human baby months before its birth, just smaller at earlier stages. Babies can survive if delivered much earlier than the usual 39 weeks.

The baby in the following video, however, is fully grown. The abortion demonstration begins about 1:00 on the counter:

Looks llke they are using a doll. Oh well. I'll keep looking.

SOME ILLUSTRATIONS:
https://www.google.com/search?q=partial+birth+abortion+ph...:

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 169 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 7:07 PM Theodoric has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 171 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 9:31 PM Faith has responded

    
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 6264
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.5


Message 171 of 182 (854444)
06-08-2019 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
06-08-2019 8:31 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
There are medical reasons. We have no idea what the provenance of this video is. Without provenance it is of no evidentiary value.

https://www.huffpost.com/...ement_b_580d4427e4b02444efa3f33a

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 170 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 8:31 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 172 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 9:38 PM Theodoric has responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 31653
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 172 of 182 (854449)
06-08-2019 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Theodoric
06-08-2019 9:31 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
Nothing would suffice as evidence for you anyway. First you want evidence that such a procedure even exists. I gave what I could find. Now you are apparently accepting that it exists but you want to know why it was performed because to your mind there are reasonable explanations. I don't know if there are such explanations in all cases and don't know how to find out. You'd probably do a better job of that.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 171 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 9:31 PM Theodoric has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 173 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 9:42 PM Faith has responded

    
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 6264
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.5


(2)
Message 173 of 182 (854450)
06-08-2019 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Faith
06-08-2019 9:38 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
I have no idea what that video is of. I am not going to watch it, because I have no explanation of what it is and where it was filmed or who is the source. It is propaganda. Was it filmed in USA? At what week of pregnancy was it performed? What was the reason? A video like this is not evidence of a 39 week abortion.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 172 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 9:38 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 174 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 10:16 PM Theodoric has responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 31653
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 174 of 182 (854457)
06-08-2019 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Theodoric
06-08-2019 9:42 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
Governor of Virginia comments on a bill proposing to legalize abortions up to the moment of birth.

Moment of birth.

CNS News.com:

In an interview on WTOP’s “Ask the Governor” on Wednesday, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, a Democrat, explained how a post-birth abortion would proceed.

NBC Washington’s Julie Carey asked Northam whether he supported a bill proposed by Virginia Delegate Kathy Tran (D), which would allow abortions--up to the moment of birth.

In response, Northam said that a baby born alive could be “kept comfortable” and then “resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired” – the implication being that the baby could be **** to die if the family decided they did not want to keep their child.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 173 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 9:42 PM Theodoric has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 175 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 10:33 PM Faith has responded

    
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 6264
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.5


Message 175 of 182 (854461)
06-08-2019 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
06-08-2019 10:16 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
This has been discussed ad nauseum.

ABE
I notice you are incapable of discussing issues I raised about the video

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 174 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 10:16 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 176 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 10:48 PM Theodoric has responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 31653
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 176 of 182 (854466)
06-08-2019 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Theodoric
06-08-2019 10:33 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
Oh gosh of course you must be right, that I am INCAPABLE of discussing them. Actually there's nothing to say. That's your view, you require me to produce something you'll accept, if I can't I can't. Sorry I don't remember what rationalizations for Northan you came up with.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 175 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 10:33 PM Theodoric has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 177 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 10:52 PM Faith has responded

    
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 6264
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.5


(1)
Message 177 of 182 (854469)
06-08-2019 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
06-08-2019 10:48 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
Was it filmed in USA? At what week of pregnancy was it performed? What was the reason?
waiting.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 176 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 10:48 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 178 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 11:19 PM Theodoric has responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 31653
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 178 of 182 (854476)
06-08-2019 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Theodoric
06-08-2019 10:52 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
Why are you repeating it? That information is not available.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 177 by Theodoric, posted 06-08-2019 10:52 PM Theodoric has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 179 by Theodoric, posted 06-09-2019 12:19 AM Faith has not yet responded

    
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 6264
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.5


(1)
Message 179 of 182 (854481)
06-09-2019 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by Faith
06-08-2019 11:19 PM


Re: Video of partial birth abortion of a fully formed baby
So the video is meaningless in the debate. If not from US irrelevant to your rants.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 178 by Faith, posted 06-08-2019 11:19 PM Faith has not yet responded

    
ringo
Member
Posts: 16626
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005
Member Rating: 3.0


(2)
Message 180 of 182 (854518)
06-09-2019 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Sarah Bellum
06-08-2019 3:20 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah bellum writes:

... if I were to use the term partial-birth abortion would you be within your rights to say such a thing never happens?


Do you have evidence that it does?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

This message is a reply to:
 Message 162 by Sarah Bellum, posted 06-08-2019 3:20 PM Sarah Bellum has not yet responded

  
RewPrev1
...
891011
12
13Next
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2019