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ringo
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Message 196 of 283 (855378)
06-18-2019 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Hyroglyphx
06-18-2019 7:45 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Well, if this was Hollywood trickery it looked pretty goddamn real.... and gruesome. It also looked full-term to me.

I asked for the circumstances and you say it appeared to be stillborn. That's the impression I got from the descriptions/definitions that have been posted. So it's not actually an abortion.

Edited by ringo, : No reason given.


All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Theodoric
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Message 197 of 283 (855379)
06-18-2019 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Hyroglyphx
06-18-2019 9:23 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
I will not consider it real without source and provenance. None of these videos are relevant to US abortion politics without source and provenance.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 198 of 283 (855380)
06-18-2019 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by ringo
06-18-2019 10:23 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Do the forced birthers expect a woman to carry a dead fetus until she dies?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 199 of 283 (855385)
06-19-2019 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Sarah Bellum
06-18-2019 5:34 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Does that mean you think it would be OK to put restrictions on 39-week abortions?

Does this mean you cannot answer the question?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 200 of 283 (855386)
06-19-2019 5:28 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Sarah Bellum
06-18-2019 5:57 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
But doesn't this mean an abortion of a 1-week gestation fetus is no different from the abortion of a 39-week gestation fetus?

Is there such a thing as a 39-week abortion?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 201 of 283 (855963)
06-25-2019 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by ringo
06-18-2019 6:04 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
The link from an NPR story has the information. Here's a snippet:

"Two abortion physicians, one in Ohio and one in California, independently developed variations on the method by extracting the fetus intact. The Ohio physician, Martin Haskell, called his method "dilation and extraction," or D&X. It involved dilating the woman's cervix, then pulling the fetus through it feet first until only the head remained inside. Using scissors or another sharp instrument, the head was then punctured, and the skull compressed, so it, too, could fit through the dilated cervix.

Haskell has said that he devised his D&X procedure because he wanted to find a way to perform second-trimester abortions without an overnight hospital stay, because local hospitals did not permit most abortions after 18 weeks."


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ringo
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Message 202 of 283 (855983)
06-25-2019 11:40 AM
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06-25-2019 8:04 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah Bellum writes:

The link from an NPR story has the information.


Does it answer my question? Was the fetus alive?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Theodoric
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Message 203 of 283 (855991)
06-25-2019 1:05 PM
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06-25-2019 8:04 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
So no birth involved. no 39 week abortion. Why don't you just admit you have no evidence of a baby being aborted at birth?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 204 of 283 (856012)
06-25-2019 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Theodoric
06-25-2019 1:05 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
I believe the point is not that an abortion has yet been performed at birth but that the law now specifically accepts it and it's been discussed as acceptable. In any case the procedure is used within the last few weeks when the baby is perfectly viable.
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Theodoric
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Message 205 of 283 (856016)
06-25-2019 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Faith
06-25-2019 4:55 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
I believe the point is not that an abortion has yet been performed at birth but that the law now specifically accepts it and it's been discussed as acceptable.

What law? Where?
In any case the procedure is used within the last few weeks when the baby is perfectly viable.

But you are incapable of providing any evidence of this. I remain skeptical.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 206 of 283 (856019)
06-25-2019 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Theodoric
06-25-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
I do expect you all to have SOME knowledge of recent **** so that every little detail doesn't have to be evidenced but of course I'm wrong to expect that.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Theodoric
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Message 207 of 283 (856021)
06-25-2019 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Faith
06-25-2019 5:15 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
As usual you have nothing to back your claims. Typical.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith
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Message 208 of 283 (856022)
06-25-2019 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Theodoric
06-25-2019 5:19 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
True I'd have to go look it up and it's not worth it. You can stay ignorant.
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Theodoric
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Message 209 of 283 (856041)
06-25-2019 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Faith
06-25-2019 5:24 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
True I'd have to go look it up and it's not worth it. You can stay ignorant.

LOL. The argument of those that have no argument.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 210 of 283 (856056)
06-26-2019 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Faith
06-25-2019 5:24 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Oh that is just such a BS move.

You want to be taken seriously in these corridors? Produce!

You made a statement of fact in a very emotionally laden discussion.

Nulius In Verba.

Resources are not just required they are demanded.

Produce or withdraw.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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