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Author Topic:   Reviewing the dark side of your bible
ringo
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Message 11 of 74 (853305)
05-25-2019 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
05-24-2019 2:05 AM


Phat writes:
... how do we know that this nutcase website that you propose is any holier?
By their fruits ye shall know them. That's how we know that so many Christian doctrines are bogus.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 47 of 74 (883275)
11-25-2020 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by ICANT
11-23-2020 9:48 PM


Re: Doctrines
ICANT writes:
ringo writes:
By their fruits ye shall know them. That's how we know that so many Christian doctrines are bogus.
What specific doctrines are you referring too?
For example, the doctrine of "the Fall" directly contradicts what God said in Genesis 3:22. Their fruits are lies.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 53 of 74 (883301)
11-26-2020 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
11-25-2020 1:39 PM


Re: Doctrines
Phat writes:
Who is "they"?
If you had read my post Message 11, it should be fairly clear: "so many Christian doctrines" --> so many Christians.
Phat writes:
The authors of the book or the peddlers of the book?
It should be pretty obvious that I'm not referring to the authors of the book when I say that the doctrines ignore and/or contradict the book.
Phat writes:
And who are you?
I'm a guy who learned how to read.
Phat writes:
Second, who do YOU say that God is?
1) A character in a book written by "them"?
Again, it's not about the authors of the book. It's about the people who pervert what the authors wrote.
And God is several characters in several books.
Phat writes:
2) Or are you in fact narrating the book and expecting people to swallow what you say hook line and sinker?
I couldn't care less what people swallow. I just expect them to read the book and don't expect ME to swallow the lies they tell about it.
Phat writes:
Because the fact remains that you too are peddling the book.
"Peddling" is too strong a word but yes, I am advocating the book and I'm rejecting the lies told about the book.
Phat writes:
And nobody is listening.
YOU are.
Phat writes:
I CANT is a Pastor.
ICANT is an idiot.
Phat writes:
You are some smart aleck frrom Canada...
Luckilly, that hasn't hampered my ability to read.
Phat writes:
... who rejected Christianity...
Liar. I have told you many times that I didn't "reject" Christianity. It died a natural death, like the Tooth Fairy.
Phat writes:
... and yet peddles your own brand of wisdom.
All I do is invite people to read what the Bible says.
Phat writes:
You and jar both have fruit full of flies.
Prove it.
Phat writes:
Get out of ringo, demon! You have no power or authority to sway the masses in Jesus name.
There may be hope for you yet ringo if you renounce that demon.
I have already denounced all demons. Ain't no such thing as demons. What you are possessed by is your own fear of a world with no Daddy.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 54 of 74 (883302)
11-26-2020 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by ICANT
11-26-2020 2:11 AM


Re: Doctrines
ICANT writes:
What fruit are you referring too?
The lies told by Christian apologists, for example, the lie of "the Fall".
ICANT writes:
Who is the 'their' you are referring too?
If you had read my post Message 11, it should be fairly clear: "so many Christian doctrines" --> so many Christians.
ICANT writes:
What and whose doctrine of the fall are you referring too?
"So many Christians."
Phat writes:
The text does not say anything about a fall.
That's what I'm saying. If you don't subscribe to the doctrine of "the Fall", you're in the wrong discussion.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 57 of 74 (883319)
11-27-2020 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Phat
11-27-2020 6:15 AM


Re: RINGOS Merry-Go-Round
Phat writes:
I can serve and volley this argument all day.
No you can't. You run away from it every day. Go back and answer your unanswered posts before you brag about how brilliant your answers are.
Phat writes:
What *you* are possessed by is the possibility that you do have a Daddy who is over your own ego and intellect.
See? There you go, That's no argument. It doesn't address what I said at all.
Phat writes:
You find comfort in the idea that GOD if GOD exists is at best unknowable.
Will you ever stop lying about me? I have told you many times that I would have no problem with a god if there was any hint that one existed. There is no comfort in being responsible myself.
Phat writes:
Perhaps I do have an inner fear that there might be no God....
Of course you do.
Phat writes:
So explain to me what the Bible actually says about demons.
The Bible says that there actually are demons. It also says that there are talking snakes, so we know we can't take everything it says literally.
The talking snake is an obvious literary device. If Shakespeare had written Genesis, he would have used a soliloquy instead.
As for demons, we all have "demons" but they are not entities; they are bugs in the way our minds work. We have guilt. We have addictions. We have "beliefs" that we know are false. For many people, belief in gods is a demon.
Phat writes:
Note how you call me (and the apologists and much of the church) the liars.
And I cite the evidence. Note that you didn't address that at all.
Phat writes:
Yet what does the Bible say? Shall we go there?
We already went there. See above. You can't take everything in the Bible literally.
Phat writes:
You and jar call truth a lie and you twist what most believers see as truth
Again, prove it.
Phat writes:
The snake may be but a metaphor, but it reflects the character of your teachings.
The snake told the truth.
So your attempted insult is just shooting yourself in the foot.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 72 of 74 (883787)
01-11-2021 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by goldenlightArchangel
01-09-2021 7:09 PM


Re: "believing" is of the devil
goldenlightArchangel writes:
So you agree that believing is of the devil when it is applied in reference to spiritual matters ?
The human mind is a complicated thing. It doesn't need a devil or spirits to make it go wonky.
Little things affect it. A slight disorder of the stomach makes it cheat. Your "spirits" may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There's more of gravy than of grave about them.
(With due credit to Charles Dickens.)

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 74 of 74 (884328)
02-11-2021 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by goldenlightArchangel
01-30-2021 3:09 AM


Re: The dark side of your bible is best explained in a screenplay!!
If You know our story then there is Nothing complicated!!
Nothing is complicated to the simplistic thinker.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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