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Phat
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Message 61 of 74 (883343)
11-30-2020 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by goldenlightArchangel
11-28-2020 7:54 PM


Re: What religions and dogs have in common . . they are told what to do by the man
Do you think or believe that GOD if God exists really cares about what we call Him? I believe that He was made known to us through Jesus Christ (and yes this goes for everybody no matter what you call your gods) but I believe He is fully capable of knowing our hearts and inner motives and would only care what we called Him and what we wanted from Him or offered TO Him.

I don't believe that GOD is a concept of such depth and power that it(He) is beyond Jesus...but I also believe that even Jesus as God judges the thoughts motives and intentions of the human heart. (Him being human, after all)

What do YOU think, LNA?(and by the way I meant to ask the topic author.)

Edited by Phat, : clarification


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 62 of 74 (883368)
12-01-2020 11:22 PM
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11-30-2020 11:10 AM


Re: What religions and dogs have in common . . they are told what to do by the man
I see you hedged and asked me, instead of the person the question was addressed to.

Let me give the thread author a chance to respond.


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Message 63 of 74 (883404)
12-04-2020 8:05 PM


Where the hell is the thread author?
I still don't know his opinion on the Vulgate.

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Message 64 of 74 (883406)
12-05-2020 3:17 AM
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12-04-2020 8:05 PM


Re: Where the hell is the thread author?
Having seen his posts recently, I don't think he's in a good place. Let's give him some room.

Edited by vimesey, : Typo


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 65 of 74 (883411)
12-06-2020 12:07 PM
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05-23-2019 2:42 PM


Attention: GoldenLightArchangel
goldenlightArchangel writes:

There is enough evidence that the bible was changed to demonic mis-translations.

I would cautiously agree except to say that the enemy(other spirit which also operates through many humans) tried to sabotage the scriptures and writings yet was largely unsuccessful. The church councils got rid of the heresy such as Gnosticism, Arianism, and other corrupted New Age mumbo jumbo that any believer can discern upon study and reflection.
\In the recent thousand years the very badly revised and corrected sentences called biblical that have been offered for the World do not look in no way friendly and fair, but very egotistical, bipolar and unrighteous.
Yes there are some parts of the modern Bible that reflect the culture of that day which was no more perfect and likely far more biased and prejudiced than our current culture.(in some ways)
What if the government starts judging every man for his belief ... Would you call it righteousness?
Not at all. The government has no right to judge (and thus tax) my giving, nor do they have a right to insist that I be Christian or Atheist. There is not now nor should be a unified global standard for morality beyond laws designed to protect basic human rights...but even this is a slippery slope. Free speech vs indoctrination, for example.(or for you, Tangle...Transformation )
The foundation of christianism, which is founded in redemption or Redentione (a Roman doctrine that believes in payment of a price in exchange for forgiveness) is demonic,
I would of course challenge that assumption and ask what foundational worldview are *you* coming from? You of course have a right to your opinion or belief, but I have every right to challenge it.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 66 of 74 (883729)
01-09-2021 1:50 AM
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12-06-2020 12:07 PM


Who asked for payment with blood in exchange for forgiveness?
.

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So who has ever requested payment with blood in exchange for forgiveness?

.

The highest one never said someone had to die so that others could be saved or forgiven.

Also, the highest one never accepted nor consented to payment with blood or sacrificial death.

Quotation,

Redemption is demonic because it must be; it was made to be so. Humans should show respect for things that were cursed by the superior powers. For, they shouldn`t profit from a curse they have never known; they should respect it, and they should never take any kind of advantage from it.

Quotation,

Mercy endures forever and ever, and it means Alta Gyahaveh never said everybody died; to the contrary, those who forgive will be forgiven, and everything will be pardoned except when they choose to be slaves serving unto a god, which is a transgression foretold in the first and second commandment, a deadly sin, not something one commits externally but against the light of their own spirit when they choose to stay in the dark through their religious idolatry.

The deal of redemption or the offer of a price already paid has proven to be a belief that causes desolation, which was predicted to be standing where it ought not, in the holy place named the holy bible. That is why Alta Gyahaveh said that whoever wants to save his life shall lose it.

The origin of all evil is what one does to himself, to his spirit; which is called religious idolatry; when choosing to serve unto a god or a financial profit from the advantage taken of a curse they have never known. By accepting or consenting to payment with blood or sacrificial death, the spirits chain themselves to the eternal dark and every gloomy heart becomes scary darker still, with no light shining through.

Quotation,

When choosing the advantage taken from a curse they have never known, saying: 'someone paid the price being made a curse for us'; then, instead of forgive and asking for pardon, they are choosing a transference of their debts; something that Alta Gyahaveh, the highest, never said that should be done. And for choosing what belongs in the eternal dark they deserve it and none else is to blame.

Quotation,

Our justice is glittering light over them all; it’s about having the right to make the reality they choose. It never was about judging neither condemning nor testing, despite of Legion having written otherwise in the Codex Vaticano. There never was testing which the World would be tested with, because Alta Gyahaveh, the highest, doesn’t need and never needed to test anyone; She simply knows what the truth is.

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Message 67 of 74 (883735)
01-09-2021 9:49 AM
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01-09-2021 1:50 AM


Re: Who asked for payment with blood in exchange for forgiveness?
What a glorious display of the ignorance that is religion.

Your fairy tales are as demented as the gods you choose to revere. Spew your incredulities, your evil majik maths and your emotional poisons all you desire. Your preachings fall on the deaf ears of reality.

Be gone you evil one! Your mind is an insult to the rest of the human species.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 68 of 74 (883747)
01-09-2021 6:16 PM
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01-09-2021 9:49 AM


"believing" is of the devil . . (when applied in matters of the spirit)
.

Whether asking a question, ‘do you believe in the One?’
or ‘Is the One to be believed (credited or taken as true)?’,

there’s no difference in that because in both cases the credibility is being questioned by the use of a term that is not proper for one to use when referring to the truth.

The usage of believing or taking as true is only proper when applied for the things that may or may not be true.

To apply belief to the living word is taking the word as something unclear, like a word in the gloom that is not able to be self-evident and shine in the darkness.

A word that requires "believing" is something that depends on being believed by others, and therefore without power.

If you apply believing to the word then you are taking it as a word that would be dependent on being believed by the man so that she could be able to make herself plain, seen and known.

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To trust or believe is giving credit in or to something which may or may not be the truth. When referring to I AM, one shouldn't be using for the truth a word that is proper to use for the things that may or may not be true.

When we say we trust someone, it often means that we always know there's a possibility that we'll be cheated or lied to but we trust this person not to do so anyway.

The word ‘trust’ shouldn't be used for the Eternal. We often say, I trust you, to someone and mean that we acknowledge there is a possibility that the person is lying or will betray us but we believe they won't. There is no possibility that the truth herself will lie or cheat, so ‘trust’ has no place in it.

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Message 69 of 74 (883748)
01-09-2021 6:20 PM


There's bonkers and there's insane...

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 70 of 74 (883749)
01-09-2021 7:09 PM
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01-09-2021 6:20 PM


"believing" is of the devil
.

So you agree that believing is of the devil when it is applied in reference to spiritual matters ?

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All that requires a belief being worked up is doubtful. And he that believes takes assuredness from himself; he retains no truth from seeing consistency in the word for there is no truth in him.

ז You do not see the wind but you do not have to believe the wind is blowing because the waves of it come to your ears and you hear the voice of its intensity. And the wind goes where it can freely flow; without man saying how it must blow. That’s how a first-fruit of the word יהוה is brought forth to the light.

How can these things be without believing?

ח Being a judge in Yisrael don't you inquire to know and ascertain instead of believing? One speaks what one knows and testifies to what one has eye-witnessed, and yet, in the role of a judge, you do not accept a testimony if you have to believe instead of ascertaining.

ט If 'believing' isn’t what you do when a witness is being told trivial current things, then does the Justice that remains not to require much less belief if I tell you about things of highest value?

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To believe or believing is accomplishing the works of Legion ( Heb. Ravãb ), the father of the beliefs, since it is not possible to deceive anyone without making believe nor is it possible for one to be deceived without him believing. The dragon was made to be a predator and specialist on camouflages made to make-believe.

Vulgate - * Ye are of your father the devil, and the works of your father ye will do. He was a killer from the beginning …

When he tells a lie he is acting according to his nature of camouflaging – by not letting one know what the truth is.

*Legion; Ravãb; is to be many, having many truths inside. However, the truth is one only. - To Believe is taking as ( if it was ) truth. And that is how lies are taken as true or as if it was the truth: the truth (s)he did not know. If he knew indeed then he would not need to believe.

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Message 71 of 74 (883757)
01-10-2021 3:04 AM
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01-09-2021 7:09 PM


Re: "believing" is of the devil
GA writes:

So you agree that believing is of the devil when it is applied in reference to spiritual matters ?

I believe that you're insane.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 72 of 74 (883787)
01-11-2021 11:59 AM
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01-09-2021 7:09 PM


Re: "believing" is of the devil
goldenlightArchangel writes:

So you agree that believing is of the devil when it is applied in reference to spiritual matters ?


The human mind is a complicated thing. It doesn't need a devil or spirits to make it go wonky.

Little things affect it. A slight disorder of the stomach makes it cheat. Your "spirits" may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There's more of gravy than of grave about them.

(With due credit to Charles Dickens.)


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 73 of 74 (884223)
01-30-2021 3:09 AM
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01-11-2021 11:59 AM


The dark side of your bible is best explained in a screenplay!!
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If You know our story then there is Nothing complicated!!

Our story is best explained in the screenplay format,
and you can find it here . . BELONGING IN THE MOST BEYOND: Screenplay with Vanesscenzza Amy Lee (Evanescenza Amy Lee Screenplay) - Kindle edition by Saggistica, Evanescenza, Arts, Evanescence. Children Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com. . . . . .

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Message 74 of 74 (884328)
02-11-2021 11:07 AM
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Re: The dark side of your bible is best explained in a screenplay!!
If You know our story then there is Nothing complicated!!

Nothing is complicated to the simplistic thinker.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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