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Chiroptera
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Message 30 of 953 (854114)
06-04-2019 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Taq
06-04-2019 5:20 PM


Open borders won't work in modern times, but it is worth remembering that we had open borders for the majority of US history.

I find it interesting that every call for restricting immigration in US history seems to have come with a very unhealthy dose of racism.

Whether it was Germans in the 1840s, Chinese in the 1880s, Italians and Slavs in the 1920s, Mexicans in the 1980s, or Middle Easterners in the 2000s, calls for restricting immigration always came with fears about American culture becoming polluted by foreign traditions, not to mention the hysteria that foreigners will be bringinging diseases and crime.

I suppose there are good, solid reasons to be opposed to open borders, but I really don't feel like sticking my hands into all that racist muck to search for them. Not before I get a tetanus shot, anyway.


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Message 32 of 953 (854116)
06-04-2019 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by JonF
06-04-2019 5:25 PM


Sanctuary cities do not oppose immigration law.

I'm also going to guess that they are also protesting the way immigration law is being implemented,

Rounding up law abibing people who were brought into this country when they were too young to remember much about their country of origin and deporting them from the only home they really know.

Separating non-documented parents from there citizen children.

Lying in wait and capturing people in need when they try to make use of essential services like law enforcement, medical care, or education.

The inhumane treatment of people once they are in custody.

Denial of due process to prevent legitimate claims from being heard.

And so forth.


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 33 of 953 (854117)
06-04-2019 7:22 PM
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06-04-2019 6:55 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
I'm going to guess it's basically the same as the difference between fears of rampant voting fraud and racism.

Namely, none.


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 46 of 953 (854164)
06-05-2019 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by dwise1
06-05-2019 11:41 AM


Re: No this is not about racism
And if you look at people's comments at the time, people explicitly referred to " Irish" as distinct from the "white races".

Racism could be complicated until you realize "race" really just means "people I don't like".


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 60 of 953 (854200)
06-05-2019 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Taq
06-05-2019 1:25 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
...nor would you be able to even describe what Marxism is.

"Stuff I hate."


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 137 of 953 (854503)
06-09-2019 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
06-09-2019 4:24 AM


Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
In any case we refuse to serve gay marriage, not gays.

Just another reminder (not that it does any good):

No law in any state requires anyone to serve "gay marriages". The most any state does is forbid denying gay people the same services that are offered to anyone else.

Which services a business offers is entirely up to them. If, for example, a business owner has a religious objection to selling graduation cakes to black people, they can still be in compliance with their state's antidiscrimination laws by not selling graduation cakes at all.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 142 of 953 (854514)
06-09-2019 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Faith
06-09-2019 12:24 PM


Re: Evangelical Christians demanding special privileges
Well, I have to admit, despite reading past threads on this topic, I still wasn't expecting the response to be, "requiring businesses to treat all of their customers equally and with respect is fascism."

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Have you got the gulag ready for us?

Requiring a business to obey the state's antidiscrimination laws is the same as sending people to gulags.

Yeah, this kind of speaks for itself. I don't think I need to comment on it directly, just point it out.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 253 of 953 (858130)
07-17-2019 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by Theodoric
07-17-2019 9:14 AM


To be fair, I think that the rubes feel that anything short of a Berlin-wall-but-facing-the-other-way is an open border.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 256 of 953 (858265)
07-19-2019 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Sarah Bellum
07-19-2019 12:02 AM


Re: Almost a caricature
Well, "the new face of the Democratic Party" can be a butcher, a baker, and a candlestick maker for all I care, just so long as they advocate for good policies and against bad ones.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Got the nursery rhyme wrong.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 264 of 953 (858282)
07-19-2019 8:45 AM


What's funny about these references to Stalin is that it's not the so-called "socialists" among the Democrats that support packing people in standing room only cages. That one's Republicans.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

  
Chiroptera
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Message 268 of 953 (858288)
07-19-2019 9:25 AM


What's also funny is that my European ancestors came and settled in the United States during the time it was being ethnically cleansed of its indigenous population.

So that kind of makes me a descendant of "Conquistadores" as well. No wonder I identify with "the Squad"!


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

  
Chiroptera
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Message 269 of 953 (858291)
07-19-2019 10:00 AM


And as far as Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar being Muslims goes, what particularly "Muslimy" things are they doing in Congress that are objectional? Most of the policies they advocate for are things I support on secular grounds.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 321 of 953 (858427)
07-20-2019 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by Faith
07-19-2019 1:38 PM


Criticism of Israeli apartheid goes back way before Muslims were at all a significant issue in the US; I've been reading (and agreeing with) denouncements of Israeli policy and US blank check support of Israel since the 1980s. Criticism of Israel includes a lot more than Muslims; in the US critics of Israel include significant numbers of Christians and Jews. So when I ask for something associated with Muslim beliefs, criticism of Israel isn't really one of them.

As far as anti-Semitism goes, I've read Omar's actual statements, and I still don't see anything anti- Semitic about them. At any rate, when American Jews are polled about the things that frighten them, it's right wing white nationalist terrorism that tops the lists, not American Muslims.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 322 of 953 (858429)
07-20-2019 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by Sarah Bellum
07-20-2019 10:49 AM


Re: Almost a caricature
You seem to apologize a lot. Are you doing anything to fix your short comings?

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 328 of 953 (858478)
07-20-2019 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 325 by JonF
07-20-2019 1:15 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
That was my passive-aggressive way of saying we're getting tired of it.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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