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Message 4 of 350 (853771)
05-31-2019 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulK
05-30-2019 2:38 PM


PaulK writes:

These demographic changes “which none of us ever voted for, and most of us don’t like” are strongly related to immigration. She claims that “In some parts of the country it does seem like the America we know and love doesn’t exist anymore,”

Unless you are descended from one of the indigenous American peoples, this argument doesn't hold much weight. We are a nation of immigrants, including Ingraham. She might as well argue against Father Time because she didn't get to vote on the 1950's going away.

Edit, just for good measure:

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 11 of 350 (854083)
06-04-2019 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Sarah Bellum
06-04-2019 4:02 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

So now opposing open borders is racist?

Opposing legal immigration because they have the wrong skin color is the problem. Ingraham is complaining about a changing demographic, not illegal immigration.


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Message 12 of 350 (854084)
06-04-2019 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Sarah Bellum
06-04-2019 4:20 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

The "sanctuary city" people sound quite borderless.

That's not it at all. They are prioritizing limited resources and and the safety of the local community.

If people are afraid of being arrested for illegal immigration then they won't come forward as witnesses to other crimes. Also, it would require major resources from very limited local law enforcement when there is already a well funded federal agency that is already tasked with arresting illegal immigrants.


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Message 21 of 350 (854102)
06-04-2019 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Sarah Bellum
06-04-2019 4:33 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

Nevertheless, they do seem a bit lax in their attitudes towards the lines on the map, no?

Cultures tend to ignore lines on maps. They also recognize that this is a nation of immigrants, and there are far worse crimes than trying to attain the American Dream. Open borders won't work in modern times, but it is worth remembering that we had open borders for the majority of US history.


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Message 28 of 350 (854111)
06-04-2019 5:38 PM
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06-04-2019 5:25 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

Culture can be good and culture can be bad. Just read the news about the Middle East sometime.

Read up on European history in the 20th century.


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Message 55 of 350 (854192)
06-05-2019 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
06-04-2019 9:52 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
Faith writes:

You can't enrich our culture by turning it into something else, . . .

By "our", do you mean your fellow white Europeans?

A massive educational undoing of the Marxist influences of the last few decades is no doubt where we need to start.

I suspect that you wouldn't be able to name a single Marxist influence, nor would you be able to even describe what Marxism is. Those are just scare words that are meant to mask racism.


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Message 56 of 350 (854193)
06-05-2019 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
06-04-2019 10:16 PM


Re: It's really not race
Faith writes:

Yes their being Christians makes them desirable immigrants from my point of view, but their poverty and lack of education really makes it impossible or at least very difficult.

If you have ever driven through rural agricultural regions you will notice that we need cheap unskilled labor. As with almost all immigrant groups, it is the second generation that brings large rewards to the countries they immigrate to. This is why it is so important to invest in public education and ease of access for the poor.

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Message 65 of 350 (854208)
06-05-2019 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
06-05-2019 4:06 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
Faith writes:

American culture is not the same, true, but that's because it's been degenerating since the sixties.

It's interesting that you would select the era of the Civil Rights Movement as the beginning of the end for US culture. That era heard millions of Southerners complaining that desegregation would ruin their culture.


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Message 79 of 350 (854253)
06-06-2019 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
06-05-2019 7:29 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
Faith writes:

Marxism leads to Venezuela, it's Christianity that made the prosperity of the West. You really don't get it.

What makes this laughable is that you don't even know what Marxism is.


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Message 80 of 350 (854255)
06-06-2019 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by LamarkNewAge
06-06-2019 1:08 AM


Re: Democrats and Republicans.
LamarkNewAge writes:

t probably should be called the same thing, but the problem is that Republicans will typically not call immigration laws "racist", so there won't even be a loyal opposition to Democratic laws against immigrant's ability to travel freely and to get work.

Immigration policy is just the tip of the iceberg. Listen to what Ingraham said about the change in culture. This has nothing to do with illegal immigration. Legal immigration and demographics are changing our culture, and this is what they don't like. It is expected that white Europeans will be a minority majority at some point in the near future, and this is what they fear.

Just listen to Faith in her posts. A much higher percentage of illegal immigrants coming over our southern border are christians compared to the current US population. This can't be about christianity, so what is it about?

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 90 of 350 (854356)
06-07-2019 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
06-06-2019 5:50 PM


Re: Marxism
Faith writes:

Marxism is basically the idea that the rich or upper classes oppress the poor or lower classes or working classes, and that capitalism serves this system of oppression, so that the lower classes have to be radicalized to **** the upper classes and overthrow them.

That's not happening in the US. At worst, people are calling for the regulation of big business, not overthrowing them.

So when Marxism takes hold, the richer classes, known in the olden days as "the bourgeoisie" or the people who buy and sell things, are done away with along with anyone else suspected of disliking the new policies, and the "workers" take over. In practice this always creates a new ruling class that oppresses and deprives ALL the people which is what is happening in Venezuela while the new rulers get rich and do nothing at all to help the oppressed population.

That's not what happened. Venezuela was super dependent on oil, so when oil prices went down so did their economy. This was exacerbated by corrupt politicians who profited off of government control of the Venezuelan oil industry. As a whole, the Venezuelan economy was capitalist. It was their dependence on oil and corruption that hurt them.

Imagine if the fracking oil in the Western US made up 50% of US GDP? We would have been doing great in the early 2000's when fracking was profitable due to high oil prices, but we would be destitute now.


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Message 91 of 350 (854357)
06-07-2019 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Hyroglyphx
06-06-2019 11:25 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:

Was the revolting of French nationals against a Nazi German invasion and occupation premised on racial lines?

That was a case of national sovereignty, not racism. The US is not being taken over by a foreign government.

On a related note, there was discrimination against Irish catholics and catholics in general because they were viewed as Papists, people who would take orders from the Pope and threaten US sovereignty.

Don't get me wrong, Laura more than likely harbors some racist tendencies, but that of course is designed to exemplify said racist tendencies of conservatives. Of course, it could also be said that liberal notions about what constitutes racism is itself misguided.

How many overt racists vote for Democrats? As people have noted, it might be difficult to say whether Trump supports racists, but there is no secret that racists support Trump.


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Message 94 of 350 (854366)
06-07-2019 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Hyroglyphx
06-07-2019 2:22 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:

Right, so was it racist for Nativists to oppose them or were there other factors at play that more closely resemble xenophobia versus racism?

How much difference is there between xenophobia and racism? Was segregation in the South a case of xenophobia?

Well, 93% of black Americans voted for Obama... that's an enormous percentage and it would be difficult to say that race didn't play a significant role.

Nearly the same number voted for Hillary. If anything, Obama increased black voter turnout.


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Message 164 of 350 (854605)
06-10-2019 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Hyroglyphx
06-08-2019 2:30 PM


Re: Rise of the Reich
Hyroglyphx writes:

Like ANTIFA? I'm curious to know your thoughts on that counter-culture.

Counter-culture? It seems that mainstream US culture has been against fascism for quite some time. We fought WW II to rid Europe of at least 2 fascist leaders. Why would you think it is extreme to be against fascism?

Since the anniversary of D-Day was just a few days ago, here are some ANTIFA soldiers storming the beaches to fight against fascism:


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Message 165 of 350 (854606)
06-10-2019 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Faith
06-08-2019 10:07 PM


Re: Rise of the Reich
Faith writes:

We have the BEGINNINGS of fascism and it can already be felt even though I hope we will never have to experience it in its fullblown character. We already feel the intimidation of being punished for having opinions the liberals don't llke. I am punished for my opinions every day at EvC.

Do you really think it is punishment when people disagree with you, and voice their disagreement? Is your skin so thin that you can't stand to hear opinions that differ from your own?


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