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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Actually as I have said before the Amnesty international makes no mention of race, culture or immigration status. None whatsoever.
You accuse me of poisoning the well and say I am making a racial thing out of it? Show me where I have done that. This is another strawman of yours.Please show where the amnesty international report backs up your wild ass assertions. The data represents a clear parallel between immigrants of Middle-Eastern and North African (MENA) descent and a rise in crime ranging from theft to sexual assaults that is disproportionate when compared to previous years of less immigration and when compared to native-born Scandinavians.
The Amnesty international report you presented as evidence sys no such thing. In fact it states that this is a long time problem in the Scandinavian countries with no reference at all to recent immigrants.
Again, we can view this from a racial perspective versus a cultural one.
Another strawman. Bringing up culture is not defense against racism. All cultures except the western European culture are brown and black. You try to sound all high and mighty by saying culture but you are reciting racist tropes because you lump all MENA immigrants into the same category and have yet to provide any evidence that they are the cause of a new rape problem in Sweden. All I want is evidence and facts. Tired of assertions. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I tell you what I address some of your strawman arguments. As they are not much better than your original claim about immigrants being responsible for a "rape wave" in Sweden.
Are you really going to pretend that these poor nations, clinging to traditional, Islamic social mores are integrating well into Western Civilization?
Your source does not support you. You should read the full article and it's conclusions before you assume, because of it's title, that it supports you.
quote: You might want to at least read the full conclusions.Here are some important parts. quote: The same thing is unsurprisingly happening in Nordic countries presently with an influx of MENA immigrants
This Journal article is 22 years old. Do you really think it is still relevant? What does it say? What are the claims the article makes abut islamic immigrants being responsible for an increase in rapes in Sweden? That is what we are discussing. Again you build another strawman argument. How about sticking to your original claim about immigrants being responsible for a "rape wave" in Sweden.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Its also really stupid to pretend that concepts of women's rights are vastly different when comparing Norway to Yemen.
Another strawman? No on has made such a claim. But go you. The 22 year old journal article is the other link your posted. You could tell I was talking about it because I quoted your link right above the comment you have quoted. Journal ArticleImmigrants, Crime, and Criminal Justice in Sweden Peter L. Martens Crime and Justice Vol. 21, Ethnicity, Crime and Immigration: Comparative and Cross-National Perspectives (1997), pp. 183-255 From the header. Keep up. Again I will reiterate. No article you have linked to supports your original contention that recent immigrants are responsible for a rape wave in Sweden. You are just engaging in a Gish Gallop right now. Since you can not support your original assertion then I guess I am done. I am tired of knocking down strawman after strawman.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
More evidence that Sinclair Broadcasting is a propaganda arm of the right wing.
Sinclair gives Trump official 'must-run' airtime to mislead on Trump immigration policy quote: More on this softball interview.Sinclair teams up with immigration official Ken Cuccinelli to defend ICE raids and demonize asylum-seekers | Media Matters for America Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You might want to listen to or read the actual transcript.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Answer the damn question. How did you prove the birth certificate is a forgery? What are your credentials for documentary analysis? How did the birth announcement get put in the local HI paper?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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On what basis did you conclude it was a forgery? What is your expertise in document analysis? Have you published your findings?
Will you give an actual answer to at least the first question? OK we all know the answer to that. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Enough of your blithering gab. That is the birth certificate. There is not another one. You think maybe you were lied to again?
Nothing you have claimed as evidence supports you at all. It has been shown to all be lies and smoke and mirrors. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You said you determined it was a forgery. If you determined it was a forgery you must have had some reasons. What were the reasons?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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So you have no reasons. Lies? There is no other birth certificate. The one posted is it. If you have no evidence it is a forgery quit claiming that you do.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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If they were you could provide the data that supports you. Alas, you can not and will not.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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The forgery is laughable.
This is my favorite part.
quote:Is This Barack Obama's Kenyan Certified Registration of Birth? | Snopes.com The evidence shows that he is actually an alien.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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The Hawaii birth certificate is similar to the formats almost all birth certificates are in now days. All the info is in databases. The clerk pushes a button and this is what spits out.
In a lot of places in the USA, there is no "long form" birth certificate available. Ignorant people have claimed that Obama never supplied an original birth certificate. There is no such thing as an original. In WI birth certificates come with the heading "Original Certificate of Live Birth". I have 5 copies of my sons. So the document is not an original in the idea that there is one original. Also, since my son is adopted there is probably an earlier birth certificate that has a different name for him and different parents. This whole thing was created by racist people that were and are too stupid to understand how the process even works. And too stupid to understand what the Constitution and law actually says. Even if Barack Obama was not born in a US territory he would still have been eligible to run for President. I have never seen a legitimate argument to counter that. quote: On the Meaning of Natural Born Citizen - Harvard Law Review Isn't it funny how Constitutional originalists don't follow that interpretation when it does not agree with their prejudices.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Lies especially lies in the political arena always matter. The sad thing is like most lies from the right, this one was very easy to disprove. The problem is a sizeable group of people prefer hate over the truth. You are one of them.
The whole Q thing is the current incarnation of the need of people to suspend truth and facts in order to embrace their hate. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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then the birth certificate that has some letters typed on it that should match each other but don't, which is hard to account for from the old manual typewriter that supposedly typed it up You have never shown this birth certificate. As I stated before a birth certificate is not a particular document. A birth certificate is produced by the technology of the time. The birth record is kept in government records. Now days it is probably not even an entry into a book. The information is kept in government databases. The birth certificate is produced on a printer on special paper the county uses. There is no such thing as an original birth certificate. I have a birth certificate that was typed out in 1981. If I requested one now it would be printed out by a computer. Both birth certificates would be considered an original. Request your birth certificate and see what you get. Are you really this dense or does your hate blind you? The inability for the rightwing haters to even attempt to understand what they are talking about is stunning.
and the mailman's memory that Obama was identified as a "foreign student"
Yet no one has provided corroborating evidence for this memory. No one has been able to show this supposed foreign student was Obama. The postman admits he was not told his name. There is no evidence Ayers and Obama ever met before 1995.Other than that thestory is still worthless Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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