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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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So you got nothing about the Pope.
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And you have one Christian that stood up to little adolph. Go you. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 582 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Faith would be a racist if she believes caucasians are superior to all other races.
I dont think there are very many pure races anymore. There are quite a few people with pale skin who sunburn easily. If faith has that quality of skin, I find it hard to believe she thinks that is superior to all other skin types. But it seems to me that people are calling faith a racist based on other criteria than skin color. She wants limits on immigration. Not all countries are equal. Some have more to offer America than others. Culture is Important to people. People take pride in the culture of their nation. Imagine the shoe was on the other foot. Iran is fiercely Islamic. How would it's people feel if Christians made up over 50 percent of the nation over a very short period of time. They would consider it akin to a medieval crusade. Culture is not race. If you bring in new cultures, it has to be at a slow pace; otherwise, society fragments and you have a recipe for civil war. If cultures dont blend and become one new culture, hostility is bound to escalate. That type of society is ideal for a totalitarian dictatorship in order to keep peace and order. Another result of such a society is that politicians will pit these disparate groups as victims of a boogey man which is generally the culture that either is the dominant one or recently was dominant. These politicians will promise to protect these "marginalized" groups from "oppression" in exchange for votes. This goes on way past the time that historical oppression has been largely eliminated. The politicians goal is to keep the disparate identity groups seething in rage and resentment so that the promises made to them will be perceptibly valuable.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Hey Theo,
IIRC the lady may be right on this one. The Popes thing. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Evidence please. Though the Popes were quite remiss in their duties and should be rightly vilified for their lack of action, to call them Hitler supporters requires evidence. Present evidence and I will consider it. Without evidence I will not consider the assertion.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Just a memory of research past.
Unfortunately its biologic memory instead of the preferred digital but I haven’t been implanted, yet. At my stage of life the former is rather suspect . and maybe too late for the latter. Bummer. Anyway, nothing I can present so I'll gracefully withdraw. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Wikipedia has a pretty good overview of the situation.
Catholic Church and Nazi Germany - Wikipedia The idea that the Pope supported Hitler comes a lot from the book "Hitler's Pope" by John Cornwell. Hitler's Pope - Wikipedia This book was very highly criticized as not being very well researched and reaching spurious conclusions. The author himself seems to have pulled back from what he presented in the book.
quote: quote: This whole thing is just Faith's anti-Catholicism.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 582 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Reihan Salam
A person of Bangladeshi heritage. https://youtu.be/Z7-OF5GkTzg I dare say he and faith disagree little in this speech and yet I doubt many of you consider him a racist.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Yes, exactly my recollection. Memories of the old World at War documentaries I used to devour as a teen.
I have the vivid flashbacks of the old films showing the Pope going from here to somewhere in all his pageantry while the voice over was not a happy camper about the Pope’s accommodations towards the Nazis (as another voice over intoned) was a force that could have crushed him like bug anytime it wanted. So where was god? My come away emotion from that experience helped fortify my atheist views.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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The Popes definitely were did the bare minimum. There is a lot to criticize them over. Their actions helped the rise of Hitler and Nazism. But they were in no way supporters of Hitler. Their inaction helped Hitler, but they were not supporters.
I am not a supporter of the Catholic church or the Popes. I am a firm believer in criticizing institutions and people for the actions they do, but not for things they did not do. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't HAVE any "anti-Catholicism" that isn't the result of reading things such as that book. When I was reading up on religions back in the eighties, which is what led me finally to becoming a Christian, at first I was certain I was going to become a Catholic. As I kept reading I ran across reasons why I couldn't do that.
You always assume I start out anti-Catholic and look for confirmation. That's not how it works. I LEARNED about the Papacy in the last few decades or so. It was fairly recent that I read what the Reformers said, and they were Catholics after all, most of them priests, and they were the ones who brought about the Protestant Reformationl, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY FOUND OUT about the Pope and the teachings of the RCC that contradict the Bible. They certainly didn't start out with objections to the Pope. Luther assumed that the Pope would support his theses against the corruptions in the RC Church, and was astonished when he didn't and instead excommunicated him. As he continued to study the Bible, as well as the teachings of the RC Church and the history of the papacy he eventually came to the conclusion that the papal system is the antichrist. So did other Reformers. They didn't start out anti-Catholic, they were educated into it. Same with me. The big problem I see these days is that there are a lot of Protestants who haven't yet seen how the papacy is the antichrist and the doctrines of the RCC are not Christian but pagan. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Did you run across the information about how the Pope formed the "rat llnes" by which Nazis escaped to South America after the war?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Where was god? My come away emotion from that experience helped fortify my atheist views. In my opinion it's better to be an atheist than a Roman Catholic which is basically paganism anyway. Recent Popes put "Mary" in the place of God, pray to her, worship her, pay attention to the communications they get from those apparitions seen here and there by children over the last century or so. Demonic apparitions impersonating "Mary." But even if they were in fact the real Mary worshiping and praying to her is blasphemy. She's a human being, not God. We are only to worship God. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
No please supply it.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Please stay on topic.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wikipedia on WWII Ratlines
Ratlines comprised a system of escape routes for Nazis and other fascists fleeing Europe at the end of World War II. These escape routes mainly led toward havens in Latin America, particularly Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Colombia,[1] Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador, and Bolivia, as well as the USA and Switzerland. There were two primary routes: the first went from Germany to Spain, then Argentina; the second from Germany to Rome to Genoa, then South America. The two routes developed independently but eventually came together to collaborate.[2] The ratlines were supported by clergy of the Catholic Church, and historian Michael Phayer claims this was supported by the Holy See.[3][4] The role of the Pope is minimized here, but I've seen other accounts that give him a big role. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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