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PaulK
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Message 211 of 251 (856527)
07-01-2019 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Sarah Bellum
07-01-2019 12:10 PM


So you are suggesting that if the brown populations aren’t controlled, Whites will be treated the same way they treated the Iroquois?
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Message 212 of 251 (856625)
07-01-2019 10:27 PM
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07-01-2019 1:46 PM


Humans have lived in the americas for only a blink of an eye compared to elsewhere on the globe. Even the "native americans" came here only a few thousand years ago. We are a land of immigrants and have been for the past ten thousand years. Successive waves of immigration have changed the entire western hemisphere. What we (the Iroquois and everyone else) have learned from these waves is that it is important to let in people like Enrico Fermi and not Carlo Ponzi, Carl Schurz and not Johann Breyer, Anthony Quinn and not Carlos Zuniga-Aviles, Antonio de Montesinos and not Francisco Pizarro.
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AZPaul3
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Message 213 of 251 (856627)
07-01-2019 10:45 PM
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07-01-2019 10:27 PM


That would be a lot easier if we could tell the future of each prospective immigrant.

But we have internal laws and police forces to handle most of that.

What we do not have to do is keep kids under 12 in cramped, overcrowded, conditions without parents, adequate meals, medical attention, or legal protections.

How many have now died?


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Message 214 of 251 (856630)
07-01-2019 10:51 PM
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07-01-2019 10:45 PM


That is, of course a much different issue!

Perhaps the procedures of your famous Ellis Island might be resurrected?


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AZPaul3
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Message 215 of 251 (856632)
07-01-2019 11:05 PM
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07-01-2019 10:51 PM


Ellis Island was not a shinning moment but at least they provided clean food and water, medical care, and toothbrushes for the kids.

But, then again, Ellis Island was for Europeans and other semi-white people. Not the brown ones infesting our southern border. You leave fresh water for them brown ones and you go to jail.

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Message 216 of 251 (856634)
07-01-2019 11:22 PM
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07-01-2019 11:05 PM


Indeed. Of course many people who arrived at Ellis Island were returned without being allowed to set foot off the island. Now why was that?
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AZPaul3
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Message 217 of 251 (856638)
07-01-2019 11:45 PM
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07-01-2019 11:22 PM


Disease, most probably. Known criminal record could have been another.

But, if you forgot your toothbrush they would maybe give you one.

They would also give you clean water to use it with and they would not kill your kids while you were being interrogated for months on end.


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Sarah Bellum
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Message 218 of 251 (856641)
07-01-2019 11:53 PM
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07-01-2019 11:45 PM


So, apparently, instead of enforcing the border the only alternative is to set up large (humane) holding areas along the border where border-crossers are held until a decision is made to admit them or to deport them?
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AZPaul3
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Message 219 of 251 (856642)
07-01-2019 11:56 PM
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07-01-2019 11:53 PM


Or we could invite them into Welcome Centers where initial health checks can be made before you leave for Phoenix.

And you get a toothbrush.

And we promise we won't kill your kids while the doctor looks over your forms.

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Message 220 of 251 (856648)
07-02-2019 12:07 AM
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07-01-2019 11:56 PM


Does the "before you leave for Phoenix" imply open borders for all except those carrying cholera, trachoma, AIDS, etc.?
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AZPaul3
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Message 221 of 251 (856650)
07-02-2019 12:12 AM
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07-02-2019 12:07 AM


If I were Emperor it would be exactly that.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 222 of 251 (856662)
07-02-2019 12:50 AM
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07-01-2019 11:45 PM


Are you suggesting that the US Border Patrol doesn’t offer toothbrushes to detainees and that, if so, they especially withhold hygiene products because the detainees are “Brown?” Probably half of the Border Patrol at this point is ethnically Hispanic.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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AZPaul3
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Message 223 of 251 (856663)
07-02-2019 1:07 AM
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07-02-2019 12:50 AM


Are you suggesting that the US Border Patrol doesn’t offer toothbrushes to detainees ..

I am suggesting the border patrol doesn't give toothbrushes to their captives, keeps them in concentration camps for months/years, denies them adequate medical attention, food, water and kills kids.

Probably half of the Border Patrol at this point is ethnically Hispanic.

Hasn't stopped them from following the orders of their republican overseers.


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Message 224 of 251 (856665)
07-02-2019 2:44 AM
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07-02-2019 1:07 AM


CPB - Gestapo
I am suggesting the border patrol doesn't give toothbrushes to their captives, keeps them in concentration camps for months/years, denies them adequate medical attention, food, water and kills kids.

Gestapo concentration camps and the murder of children... all under the noses of the Dept of Justice. I assume that you are aware that there are federal guidelines for detention centers with lots of oversight. How much of this hysteria do you honestly believe?

Hasn't stopped them from following the orders of their republican overseers.

Okay, but its implied that it is borne out of racism, per the title of thread, yes?


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AZPaul3
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Message 225 of 251 (856666)
07-02-2019 4:09 AM
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07-02-2019 2:44 AM


Re: CPB - Gestapo
Where are your news sources? Do you not get the horror stories of immigration centers, holding facilities and the hundreds of kids lost, yes quite literally lost as in cannot be found, in the camp system? Let alone the horrors of detention in block cells with all night lights, no blankets, no beds and pots for toilets. And, need I say it, no toothbrushes.

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First four right off the top of the search stack. And it gets worse as you get deeper.

The oversight has been lax to non-existent from the DOJ, Homeland Security, White House, Congress, which has become a major issue with the problem. Attempts to legally address the deficiencies in the courts are hampered because the Attorney General is slow to respond to subpoenas and FOE requests. And the republicans are not even attempting to do anything in congress. This has been a problem for years now.

I assume that you are aware that there are federal guidelines for detention centers with lots of oversight.

That is a major issue in the cases being brought. This administration is not following its own guidelines relaxed in 2017 from the stricter standards of 2015.

Okay, but its implied that it is borne out of racism, per the title of thread, yes?

That's right.

This isn't Russia or Indonesia or Iran. This is happening with people in our custody today in the USofA. Anyone not embarrassed and outraged by what we're doing to people is 1) not paying attention 2) not American.

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A Department of Justice lawyer, Sarah Fabian, told judges in the Ninth Circuit last week that the government's obligation to provide "safe and sanitary" conditions for child migrants does not require it to provide children with hygiene items such as soap or toothbrushes and it can have them sleep on concrete floors in cold, overcrowded cells.

That's from the first cite above. My country. My government. The shame.

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