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PaulK
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Message 241 of 251 (856751)
07-02-2019 4:53 PM
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07-02-2019 4:43 PM


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I'm thinking one or two more posts before you become another example of Godwin's Law.

Hardly. Try paying attention to the topic. Immigration is a diversion. Ingraham could have restricted herself to immigration - and in Fox News that would probably have gone down well with the audience. She didn’t.


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Message 242 of 251 (856752)
07-02-2019 4:53 PM
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07-02-2019 4:28 PM


Thumbs up to Monty Python reference.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 243 of 251 (856757)
07-02-2019 4:59 PM
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07-02-2019 4:53 PM


Yup, almost there.
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Message 244 of 251 (856760)
07-02-2019 5:07 PM
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07-02-2019 4:59 PM


I don’t think that Godwin’s law says anything about sticking to the topic.
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Message 245 of 251 (856762)
07-02-2019 5:16 PM
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07-02-2019 5:07 PM


Ever since you wrote "..controlling the population of disfavoured ethnic groups..." I've been waiting for you to fulfill your Godwin's Law destiny.
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Message 246 of 251 (856766)
07-02-2019 5:27 PM
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07-02-2019 5:16 PM


That’s funny, because that is what Ingraham was arguing for. It’s the topic. I’m saying that makes her a racist. If you want to go further that’s up to you.
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Message 247 of 251 (856768)
07-02-2019 5:31 PM
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07-02-2019 5:27 PM


Accusations of racism aren't Godwin's Law level yet, I'll give you that.
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Message 248 of 251 (856772)
07-02-2019 5:38 PM
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07-02-2019 4:39 PM


LOL

No one but the nutjobs have said anything about unregulated immigration and it looks like just palming the pea, conning the rubes, moving the goal posts, misdirecting attention whenever someone brings it up.


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Message 249 of 251 (856783)
07-02-2019 9:43 PM
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07-02-2019 5:38 PM


"Well ...", he said as he contemplated what meds they would put him on first, "... maybe not totally unregulated."

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 250 of 251 (858105)
07-16-2019 3:36 PM


Almost a caricature
The racist who tells a coloured person to “go back where they came from”, only to be told that their target was born in the country - was a joke when I was young.

Donald Trump is that joke. And worse than that joke since the congresswomen he referred to are prominent enough that their origins are easily found. We may laugh at the idea of a dumb racist not realising that not all coloured people are immigrants, but when the President of the United States makes the same mistake it’s worrying.

(Those unfamiliar with the incident can see the tweets reproduced in Message 3049)


    
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Message 251 of 251 (858121)
07-16-2019 11:00 PM
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07-02-2019 4:39 PM


I'm certainly in favor of bringing in immigrants. On principle, in fact: I haven't got a pool to clean or a lawn to cut like the plutocrats who want open borders to break unions and impoverish the working classes.
No, I think we need people to come here and it's a kind thing to do to work with people who do come here.

But unregulated immigration? Unless Chihuahua, Sonora, Coahuila, Baja, Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon agree to be the 51st through 56th stars in the US flag people are going to have to line up and follow the rules instead of scaling the fence. Anything else is an insult to the good people who do things legally.

Immigration is vital to the security and stability of the United States. If you follow what's happening in Japan and some parts of Europe, they will absolutely have an existential crisis within the next 20 years. Japan is a very insular and homogenous society. They are very skeptical about their immigrants but they absolutely need them because of their dwindling population. There will be no way a tiny labor force can sustain an aging population. Will look like an inverted pyramid.

Trump is making a huge mistake on immigration. He is severely restricting H1B visas, especially for tech, with the misguided notion that Americans can fill that need. They can't. Even if Americans were interested in tech fields, it still would not be enough to meet the demand. Even with immigrants, companies are poaching one another just to stay relevant. As AI inevitably increases, the jobs of today will go away and new jobs will take their place -- jobs that we cannot even fathom at this point in time. What is wrong with attracting some of the brightest minds from all over the world and bringing them here? If the US does not do this, some other nation will.

As to the Southern border... the Mexican population is also critically vital to the stability of the US. BUT, with that caveat, I would agree that open borders are suicide. What is happening in places like Sweden, France, and Germany is seeing a legitimate need for migrants but they are not metering them in. They just think the more the merrier. The speed at which they are bringing people in creates insular pockets and hinders their ability and their desire to assimilate into the society. As we have seen, they tend to make their new host country as dysfunctional as the one they fled from.

A wall, however, is just the dumbest and most counterproductive way to go about it. You can protect a border without an enormously expensive wall that will NOT stop or even slow illegal immigration in any appreciable way.

Immigration is a very important function, but it has to be done the right way.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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