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PaulK
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Message 286 of 610 (858337)
07-19-2019 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Sarah Bellum
07-19-2019 11:25 AM


Re: Almost a caricature
It says to me that you are a nutty partisan who will take guilt by association to ridiculous levels. It doesn’t say that you are a raving bigot who wants a far right tyranny - although Faith thinks it does.
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Sarah Bellum
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Message 287 of 610 (858338)
07-19-2019 2:46 PM
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07-19-2019 2:41 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
Guilt by association? Where do you get that?

I'm just wondering what is the face of the Democratic Party: politicians like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden or "The Squad"?


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JonF
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Message 288 of 610 (858339)
07-19-2019 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Faith
07-19-2019 1:38 PM


Let's see what AOC actually said. https://www.haaretz.com/...tting-u-s-aid-to-israel-1.7129864:

quote:
New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Sunday she viewed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s reelection as part of “the ascent of authoritarianism across the world,” and that reducing military and economic aid to Israel as a way of signaling opposition to its policies is “on the table” and “can be discussed.”

Speaking on Yahoo’s Skullduggery podcast, Ocasio-Cortez called Netanyahu a “Trump-like figure” and responded in the affirmative when asked whether the Israeli premier’s campaign statements promising to pursue annexation of parts of the West Bank should affect U.S. policy toward the Jewish state.

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Asked Sunday if she would consider reducing military or economic aid to Israel as a way of signaling opposition to its policies, Ocasio-Cortez responded, “I think it’s on the table. I think it is certainly on the table. And I think it’s something that can be discussed.”

The freshman congresswoman emphasized that she did not view herself as a leader on the issue, deferring to those who had been “leading this for a long time” like Rep. McCollum. She said her job was to “play a facilitating role in this conversation, and a supportive role in this conversation.”

She added, however, that she felt, “we need to expand what those policy conversations are.”



Horrors! She doesn't blindly support Israel's PM or everything Israel does! She should be drawn and quartered without trial.

https://m.jpost.com/...of-running-concentration-camps-592895:

quote:
That is exactly what they are: they are concentration camps and if that doesn’t bother you, then [I don’t know],” she said as she gestured, adding that she was speaking to those who “are concerned enough with humanity to say that ‘Never Again’ means something and... that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the Home of the Free [United States].”

"Never Again" is a common phrase used when pledging to never allow the atrocities experienced in the Holocaust to occur again.

We need to do something about it,” she told her viewers. “This is not just about the immigrant communities being held in concentration camps, it’s a crisis of if America will remain America in its actual principles and values.”



Formally, the camps meet the dictionary definition of concentration camps:

[/quote] internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons.[/quote]

Obviously the association of concentration camps with Nazi Germany engenders very strong feelings. I bet AOC intended that. But the conditions at our southwest border are intolerable and are due almost completely to the zero tolerance policy and this administration's apparent inability to think and plan, admittedly exacerbated by the unexpected increase in migrants.

Nonetheless, what she said is protected speech. Anyone can disagree with or criticize what she said, but the right-wing's personal attacks are not warranted.


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JonF
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Message 289 of 610 (858340)
07-19-2019 2:57 PM
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07-19-2019 2:46 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
All of them and more.
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Sarah Bellum
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Message 290 of 610 (858341)
07-19-2019 3:01 PM
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07-19-2019 2:57 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
Hmm, a political party that tries to be all things to all people?
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Faith
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Message 291 of 610 (858342)
07-19-2019 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by Sarah Bellum
07-19-2019 2:26 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
Percy is ********* words I use in a way that he doesn't ****. He's also asked me not to try to get around the ********** by writing the words in a different form, so anyone who wants to see what I wrote has to use "Peek." Since I'm on my good behavior lately, having had the fear of God put into me as it were, by a Buddhist nun, over the idea of karmic suffering (it does have biblical parallels), I'm trying to ***** to his rules.

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PaulK
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Message 292 of 610 (858343)
07-19-2019 3:22 PM
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07-19-2019 2:46 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
quote:

Guilt by association? Where do you get that?

Trying to link liberal Muslims with 9/11, a Puerto Rican for the Alamo and a Massachusetts “socialist” with Stalin.

Nutty, but I guess there’s no sane defence of Trump.


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Faith
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Message 293 of 610 (858345)
07-19-2019 3:48 PM
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07-19-2019 2:55 PM


Trump did not start the camps, and it would be amazing if they weren't overcrowded since ******** are actively bringing more and more illegals here while refusing to fund anything that would help ameliorate the situation. And it's only in superficials that they resemble concentrations camps, the idea is really ******, invented by people who **** America and appreciate nothing about how we've always been the beacon of goodness and compassion in this world and still would be if Trump had his way. The border facilities are filled with people who are crashing our borders trying to get in, not with people we are rounding up in order to persecute and kill them. Some of us would **** to send most of them back home. Since I'm trying to be a good girl (and I'll never be good enough for Percy) I won't go on to give my considered opinion as to the kind of mentality that could make such a comparison. Oh gosh I already sort of did didn't I? Oh dear.

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Message 294 of 610 (858346)
07-19-2019 4:20 PM
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07-19-2019 3:01 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
Mostly.
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Message 295 of 610 (858347)
07-19-2019 4:31 PM
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07-19-2019 3:48 PM


See what I mean about incoherent rants?

Trump’s administration started the concentration camps to enforce the zero humanity policy. There were larger influxes in 2004-2005, 1997-2001, and 1987. They did not result in mass incarceration or the inhumane conditions we see today.

Got any facts to support your claims?

BTW, it's really tiresome to be said to hate America for the crime of disagreeing legally.


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Message 296 of 610 (858348)
07-19-2019 4:49 PM
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07-19-2019 4:31 PM


Have you even read the first amendment?

Congress shall make no law disrespecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excise thereof; or allowing the freedom of speech, or of the press; or to allow people to assemble or to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 297 of 610 (858355)
07-19-2019 5:10 PM
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07-19-2019 3:07 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
Interesting. I never used the "peek" before.
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Message 298 of 610 (858358)
07-19-2019 5:24 PM
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07-19-2019 4:31 PM


Love it or leave it
JonF also notes:

it's really tiresome to be said to hate America for the crime of disagreeing legally.

as i (maybe paraphrasing here) posted in facebook:

"arguing that you can leave it is like a mother finding a robber stabbing her children in the living room and he says 'if you don't like it, you can leave the house'".


"I'd rather be an American than a Trump Supporter."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Sarah Bellum
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Message 299 of 610 (858359)
07-19-2019 5:44 PM
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07-19-2019 3:22 PM


Re: Almost a caricature
Socialism can cause problems. Stalin is a good reminder (Hitler, too, and his National Socialists). Are you going to say Stalin wasn't a Socialist? The "Conquistador" reference was to remind all those "liberals" who complain about white imperialists that the people south of the Rio Grande are descended from Conquistadores (or their slaves, either subjugated natives or those brought over from Africa). As for liberal Muslims, as far as I know, liberals aren't supposed to apologize for "insinuating that American support for Israel is fueled by money from a pro-Israel lobbying group" or say "It's all about the Benjamin's baby!" when complaining about the Jewish lobby. So maybe they're just "muslims" without the "liberal" qualifier. Or maybe senator Bilbo wasn't anti-semitic?
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Faith
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Message 300 of 610 (858360)
07-19-2019 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by JonF
07-19-2019 4:31 PM


[qs]It's really ***** to be said to Cultural5 America for the crime of disagreeing legally. [/qs

No, the *****6 is simple **********7 of America, what America is and was. It isn't socialist and never was and they ***********8 that. They *********9 the capitalism that brought us the greatest prosperity of any nation ever and now they want to destroy it and the nation by replacing it with socialism in a completely misguided idea about what socialism is and does.

The Muslims ********0 Israel and our support of Israel not for any rational reason but because they are Muslims who are taught to *********1 Israel, and they support the Palestinian "cause," which is a totally made-up cause intended to be a thorn in the side of Israel and for no other reason, because they are Muslims.

*********2 have the same false ideas. This is all because in the sixties the universities threw out their required courses on American History and Western Civilization (remember the inane chant "western civ must go" or whatever it was? And the rise of Marxism in both its classical and ********* ******* forms, that became the main content subsequent generations learned in the universities now staffed by sixties Marxists, a totally America-hating doctrine. They, meaning lots of people here, really ******* their twisted ******** education has taught them what America really is and they love their ***** version of it and ***** the real America. Marxism has invented the ************ of Trump, the accusation of Nazism and racism, all *********2.

We may not survive this but all you on the *********3 will *********4 that's a good thing. Unless you ************ to see its fruition and then you'll probably blame it on the Right anyway.

If anyone has any interest in this "rant," please use "Peek." Thank you.

ABE: Now I see that even the message at "Peek" is so garbled that's not really readable either. Percy just *********0 anything I say about these things, not caring about whether they are true or not, he apparently just ***********1 my politics and doesn't mind being a ******5 ****** of dissenting opinions.

So perhaps none of that will be readable either. Figures.

ABE: Yeah, lots of words blotted out in "Peek" too. I guess I could say EvC has arrived at the *******3 condition they want for the nation too. Maybe it's a harbinger.

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