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ringo
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Message 376 of 953 (859034)
07-27-2019 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 375 by JonF
07-27-2019 11:58 AM


Re: Trump confirms the 2020 theme is overt racism
quote:
"... blasting his home district in Baltimore as a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess and a very dangerous & filthy place where no human being would want to live and suggesting it should be stripped of federal funding."
I would think that if a district was filthy and impoverished, it should get more federal funding, not less.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 377 of 953 (859035)
07-27-2019 12:16 PM
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07-27-2019 12:08 PM


Re: Trump confirms the 2020 theme is overt racism
Yeah, but a few years ago I also would have thought that if a country were a "shit-hole" country, we'd be more inclined to accept refugees from there.
I guess not when you realize that "shit -hole" and "rat infested" mean "black people".

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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jar
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Message 378 of 953 (859036)
07-27-2019 12:18 PM
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07-27-2019 12:16 PM


Re: Trump confirms the 2020 theme is overt racism
or brown or red or yellow or tan or passing or ...

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JonF
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Message 379 of 953 (859045)
07-27-2019 1:59 PM
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07-27-2019 11:58 AM


Re: Trump confirms the 2020 theme is overt racism
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Chiroptera
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Message 380 of 953 (859263)
07-30-2019 10:53 AM


Krugman on "American carnage"
This morning's column by Paul Krugman:
A Racist Stuck in the Past
Trump's characterization of Cummings' district as a rat-infested hellhole is nothing new; Krugman points out that racists have long used the problems of US inner cities to claim that there's something wrong with non-white people.
'Course non-racists point out that racists never can get cause-and-effect straight, and claim that most of the problems with the inner cities are due more to the lack of educational and economic opportunities.
And sure enough, even as the conditions of American cities have improved, the conditions of rural, white people areas - you know, Trump country - have deteriorated due to... wait for it... declining educational and economic opportunities.
How might one test Wilson’s hypothesis? Well, you could destroy job opportunities for a number of white people, and see if they experienced a decline in propensity to work, stopped forming stable families, and so on. And sure enough, that’s exactly what has happened to parts of nonmetropolitan America effectively stranded by a changing economy.
Krugman's take-away:
What the changing face of American social problems shows is that people are pretty much the same, whatever the color of their skin. Give them reasonable opportunities for economic and personal advancement, and they will thrive; deprive them of those opportunities, and they won’t.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 381 of 953 (859336)
07-31-2019 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulK
05-30-2019 2:38 PM


Democrats need to make voters vote on immigration.
quote:
These demographic changes which none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like are strongly related to immigration.
56% of 18-34 Americans feel illegal immigration should be punished with a fine, not criminal charges.
18-34 males are 61% supportive of decriminalization (only 23% feel there should be criminal charges)
https://thehill.com/...il-fines-for-illegal-border-crossings
There were 250 18-34 year olds polled.
141 (or 56%) said there should only be a fine, while 61 (24%) said there should be criminal charges, and 48 (19%) were undecided.
There were 260 35-49 year olds polled.
69 said fine ( 27%). 110 said it should be a crime (42%). 81 were not sure (31%).
That is 510 under 50, and 210 to 171 supported decriminalization, with 129 not sure.
8% more support, among 18-49 year old Americans, for changing the current criminal status to a NON CRIME immigration offense.
The younger they are, the more pro immigration they come.
There were 280 50-64 year-old Americans polled, and 210 65+ year's old people polled.
The 280 50 to 64 year olds were only 23% supportive of reducing the penalty to a fine, and 50% favored keeping the criminal status that is the current law.
The 210 Americans over 64 were only 21% in favor of decriminalization with 48% favoring the criminal charges.
Overall, there is a 41% to 32% breakdown in favor of keeping the criminal charges policy verses reducing the penalty to a fine.
But 16 months from now will see the anti-immigration side loosing many of its elderly members. They will be replaced by very pro-immigration youngsters.
Democrats need to take this issue to the voters. I want to see what they have to say. There might be a slight edge in favor of decriminalization if Democrats offer a choice and make the case. Never mind the age demographics bringing a different political landscape in future years.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 382 of 953 (859392)
07-31-2019 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Chiroptera
07-30-2019 10:53 AM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Trump's characterization of Cummings' district as a rat-infested hellhole is nothing new; Krugman points out that racists have long used the problems of US inner cities to claim that there's something wrong with non-white people.
The tone of the president is certainly un-presidential and this kind of rhetoric only creates the pretense to question what his underlying message was. He lacks a tact that has always been an assumed quality of every sitting president that preceded him. Having said that, Cummings' district is a rat-infested hellhole. It just is and has been for a very, very long time. I've been been to a lot of ghettos in my time, but Baltimore took the cake. Literally looked like a goddamn war zone and like looking at pictures of post-war Poland ravaged by the Nazi's and Soviet's. Clearly whatever they are doing there is not working and to point that out isn't de facto "racist." While not agreeing with Trump's tenor or delivery, his ultimate jab was at Cummings, not "black people." He's saying, in effect, "How the hell are you gonna criticize me when you can't even get your own community in order?"
'Course non-racists point out that racists never can get cause-and-effect straight, and claim that most of the problems with the inner cities are due more to the lack of educational and economic opportunities.
This is what the ravages of generational poverty and dysfunction look like. Dysfunction, more often than not, begets more dysfunction; passed down from generation to generation. If its normal for you to walk outside your home and see crackheads milling about aimlessly, it can't be understated how damaging that must be to little children steeped in that environment.
How it got that way and how to correct it is highly nuanced and highly complicated. There's no magic bullet.
And sure enough, even as the conditions of American cities have improved, the conditions of rural, white people areas - you know, Trump country - have deteriorated due to... wait for it... declining educational and economic opportunities.
Damn right... because a lack of employment opportunities knows no color. But that's kind of the point... Progressives immediately jumped to racism as their go-to explanation for his comment. Look, I'm sure Trump harbors racist beliefs... to the degree that it is used though is excessive. So if he referred to Billings, Montana as a "rat-infested hellhole" would his words have immediately been associated with racism? No. They would probably just criticize that its a mean-spirited thing to say about a city in a country that you run!
quote:
What the changing face of American social problems shows is that people are pretty much the same, whatever the color of their skin. Give them reasonable opportunities for economic and personal advancement, and they will thrive; deprive them of those opportunities, and they won’t.
We see the Rust Belt, a rat-infested hellhole, that is reeling from an opioid epidemic where race is an after-thought. There's no jobs, low education, and they have nothing better to do than jam needles into their arm to drown out the pain. And that very much is "Trump country." Those were the people desperate enough to vote for him because he made a promise that he's yet to deliver on.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith 
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Message 383 of 953 (859403)
07-31-2019 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Chiroptera
07-30-2019 10:53 AM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Bullshit. Trump has never said anything racist and his view of Baltimore is not racist either. The place is a hellhole and he called it a hellhole. Why is it a hellhole? Because the Left is in charge of it and has failed to do anything about it with the billions of dollars thrown at it over the years, not even arrange to pick up the trash that breeds the rats. Again, billions. The former mayor of Baltimore has been heard on audio played by conservative radio many times recently talking about the stench of the area when she visited it a while back. Did you guys hear her? Is she a racist? Bernie Sanders said the place looks like the third world. Is he a racist? Maybe Trump's words will get some action to try to clean up the place. We can hope.
Similar conditions prevail in many cities across the nation that are run by Leftists. Imagine that.
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ringo
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Message 384 of 953 (859405)
07-31-2019 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 383 by Faith
07-31-2019 2:22 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Faith writes:
Trump has never said anything racist....
That's a silly claim to make. You don't know everything that Trump has ever said.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Faith 
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Message 385 of 953 (859408)
07-31-2019 2:39 PM
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07-31-2019 2:33 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Ha ha. I know everything he's said since he became President that the Left keeps calling racist, which they do just because that's what they do, because character assassination is their method, and they couldn't care less about the truth as long as they have this crying need to destroy a particular political opponent.

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JonF
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Message 386 of 953 (859414)
07-31-2019 2:52 PM
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07-31-2019 2:39 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
You know who gets to decide what's racist? Non-whites.
quote:
Trump began talking negatively about Cummings and Baltimore in a series of tweets on July 27. In a Quinnipiac University poll conducted from July 25 to July 28 -- two days before the tweets, the day of the tweets, and one day after the tweets -- Trump had a 6% approval rating and 84% disapproval rating with black voters. Eighty percent of black voters said Trump is racist, while just 11% said he is not.
A Fox News poll conducted from July 21 to July 23 had Trump at 75% disapproval among black registered voters, with 22% approval. In a Washington Post/ABC News poll conducted June 28 to July 1, 81% of African Americans said they disapproved; 18% approved. Both of those approval numbers were substantially better than the one in the new Quinnipiac poll, but still: On the whole, large majorities of African Americans were displeased with him

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 387 of 953 (859418)
07-31-2019 3:09 PM
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07-31-2019 2:39 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Faith writes:
I know everything he's said since he became President....
No you don't. You admit that you only listen to commentary, not real news.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Theodoric
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Message 388 of 953 (859425)
07-31-2019 3:37 PM
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07-31-2019 2:52 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
You know who gets to decide what's racist? Non-whites.
This is an important point that entitled white men don't seem to get or want to get. White men do not get to tell people of color what is racist. White men do not get to tell women what is misogynistic. It is easy to pontificate from on high when one is privileged.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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DrJones*
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Message 389 of 953 (859427)
07-31-2019 3:45 PM
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07-31-2019 2:22 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Trump has never said anything racist
telling people "go back where you came from" is a classic racist phrase.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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jar
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Message 390 of 953 (859446)
07-31-2019 5:23 PM


President Donald Trump is simply the best example of the Deplorables.
President Donald Trump is simply the best example of the Deplorables and a person unfit to be in Polite Company.
He is not "The Ugly American" he is the Deplorable Human Being.

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