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Message 406 of 953 (859498)
07-31-2019 10:49 PM
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07-31-2019 10:43 PM


here you go, bud. next time hire a tutor
Paul Krugman at the New York Times noted at the paper's election night live blog that the "markets are plunging." He then wrote: "If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never."

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Message 407 of 953 (859499)
07-31-2019 10:51 PM
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07-31-2019 10:49 PM


That is a bit different than claiming the markets would crash. Which is your original claim. When he made the comment markets were plunging. He was wrong when he said markets would never recover, but he never claimed the market would crash.
That being said he is not a leftist. He is the epitome of a centrist economist.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 408 of 953 (859505)
07-31-2019 11:00 PM
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07-31-2019 10:49 PM


next time hire a tutor
No need. They come ready made with the forum available when needed and free of charge.
This one's name is Theodoric.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 409 of 953 (859506)
07-31-2019 11:02 PM


ok guys. class is over. collect your dunce caps at the door.

  
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Message 410 of 953 (859509)
07-31-2019 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by Faith
07-31-2019 6:36 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Where are the counseling clinicts, where are the housing facilities or even at a minium where are the toilets and showers? Those billions could have bought some of that, even all of it. Not to mention the wealthy "compassionate" liberal residents of the city who live a mile or so from the horrors and offer no help.
In my city there is this multi-million dollar center called the ARCH (Austin Resource Center for the Homeless) and most of the homeless population refuses to live there because it is, among other things, rampant with violence, inundated by drug use, rapes are routine, and infested with parasites. It has not moved the needle one iota with their give them a fish for the day rather than teaching them to fish mentality. In fact, the homeless population has increased ten-fold. We have a lot of hard talk from the political elites that live in far-removed, opulent areas while expecting you and I to foot the bill. And how many do you think would actually open their doors to help? Not a soul. If they're gonna be sanctimonious about homelessness, then the least they can do is live up to the virtues they signal. Its always generous when its other people's money footing the bill.
Your hatred of Trump isn't helping either because he knows what is going on and tells it like it is while they tell lies about him and turn people against him for no good reason.
My distaste for Trump is an aside from my distaste for the Regressive Left. I am a moderate, so I like to hear from Moderate Republicans and Moderate Democrats about how to unify and make real change.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 411 of 953 (859511)
07-31-2019 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Theodoric
07-31-2019 6:36 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
So let me make sure I'm clear... KOMO news is suspect but the SeattleTimes isn't? What is your metric? Because you agree with one but not the other?
Cherry picking one city does not support your claim. But lets see the data for Seattle to start. Remember bare links are not an argument. Present the data.
quote:
Seattle is under siege. Over the past five years, the Emerald City has seen an explosion of homelessness, crime, and addiction. In its 2017 point-in-time count of the homeless, King County social-services agency All Home found 11,643 people sleeping in tents, cars, and emergency shelters. Property crime has risen to a rate two and a half times higher than Los Angeles’s and four times higher than New York City’s. Cleanup crews pick up tens of thousands of dirty needles from city streets and parks every year.
- https://www.city-journal.org/seattle-homelessnessSource
All crime in the US has been dropping everywhere since the 1980's, so your use of datasets from the 80's is misleading.
Every crime in Seattle is well above the national average, but for a metropolitan area that's not all that shocking. However, when comparing apples to apples, the homicide rate in 2017 was the highest since 2003. Sexual assault is astronomically higher than previous years. Assaults are one the rise with 2017 being its worst year.
Source: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Seattle-Washington.html

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 412 of 953 (859512)
07-31-2019 11:36 PM
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07-31-2019 6:36 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Double Post
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 413 of 953 (859513)
07-31-2019 11:37 PM
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07-31-2019 6:36 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Double Post

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 414 of 953 (859531)
08-01-2019 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 382 by Hyroglyphx
07-31-2019 1:44 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Sorry for the delay, Hyro.
Having said that, Cummings' district is a rat-infested hellhole. It just is and has been for a very, very long time. I've been been to a lot of ghettos in my time, but Baltimore took the cake.
Yes, Maryland's Seventh District includes parts of Baltimore. It also includes parts of Columbia, which has been rated as one of the safest communities in the US.
The 7th rates above median for average income among Congressional districts, and rates 2nd among black majority districts for both average income and level of education.
If the 7th was white majority, would Trump have described it as a rat-infested failure?
In fact, if Cummings was a white Republican, he'd probably be praise for the awesome job he's doing.
So if he referred to Billings, Montana as a "rat-infested hellhole" would his words have immediately been associated with racism?
The point is that Trump doesn't call white majority rural areas rat-infested hellholes.
We see the Rust Belt, a rat-infested hellhole, that is reeling from an opioid epidemic where race is an after-thought. There's no jobs, low education, and they have nothing better to do than jam needles into their arm to drown out the pain. And that very much is "Trump country."
By strange coincidence, Trump doesn't call these areas rat infested hellholes.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 415 of 953 (859532)
08-01-2019 10:49 AM
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07-31-2019 2:22 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Trump has never said anything racist....
Sorry for the delayed response, Faith. When I read this I spewed coffee all over my tablet, and it's only now dry enough to use.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Theodoric
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Message 416 of 953 (859538)
08-01-2019 11:47 AM
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07-31-2019 11:35 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
I wish this site had a save as draft mode. I lost everything twice on this post hopefully I am making improvements.
As I stated earlier you need to provide a lot more data to support your original claim. Let's look at your original claim.
Cities deeply entrenched in Progressivism sadly tend to have the most regressive traits when compared to the national average.
Just talking about Seattle does not support this contention. But lets look at the propaganda you are spouting about Seattle first.
So let me make sure I'm clear... KOMO news is suspect but the SeattleTimes isn't? What is your metric? Because you agree with one but not the other?
First of all posting the video is a clear violation of forum rules. According to the rules you should be summarizing it’s claims and supporting it with data. Bare links are not allowed. I am not going to watch poropganda.
Evidently you do not read what people post. KOMO is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting, which is a well known and admitted propraganda organization.
The Seattle Times is a well respected news organization with 10 Pulitzers. If you have a problem with the Seattle Times data present a rebuttal to what they state.
It is quite telling that the only sources you have are a propaganda outfit and a far right think tank.
Now lets look at the City Journal. This is the magazine of a well known right wing, free market think tank, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research. The magazine and the institute do not even bother to present themselves as unbiased. The purpose of each is to influence policy decisions toward radical free market ideals. They adopt a position and cherry pick data to support that position. All think tanks do this. A very big tell on the City Journal is its front page article. Why Democrats Lose. It is review of a book by a libertarian. The review is full or right wing talking points and concern trolling.
Here is a look at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.
Manhattan Institute for Policy Research - SourceWatch
You may notice that the Source Watch entry is extensively sourced.
The article makes this claim.
quote:
Seattle is under siege. Over the past five years, the Emerald City has seen an explosion of homelessness, crime, and addiction.
At no time does it present any data to support this claim. The Seattle Time’s article presents data undermining this claim
Now here is the kicker on this. The article is written by Christopher F. Rufo, a Discovery Institute fellow. All of us around here know the Discovery Institute. They are the epitome of having a position and cherry picking data to support the position. This is the only info I can find about his background. He has no expertise in urban policy as far s I can tell.
http://www.discovery.org/p/751
Oh yeah it seems he is a right wing grifter too.
Ethics Complaint Alleges Christopher Rufo Broke Law When He Donated Surplus Funds to His Own Foundation - The Stranger
All crime in the US has been dropping everywhere since the 1980's, so your use of datasets from the 80's is misleading.
The Seattle Time’s article uses a continuous graph from the 1980’s so you comment is misleading. Violent crime and property crime levels are lower than they were in 2005 and close to lowest levels in decades if not in forever. Look at the article.
However, when comparing apples to apples, the homicide rate in 2017 was the highest since 2003.]
Let’s look at the raw #’s? Your statement means nothing without the data. The raw #’s for 2017 are 27. Your own source says there were 34 in 2003. The average between 2003 and 2017 is 23.3. Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.
There has been a large increase in sexual assaults. To pin this on homelessness and progressive policies is quite a bit of a stretch. The increase of rape reports is partially do to new awareness and new definitions by the FBI.
FBI Definition, #MeToo May Increase Rape Reports | Nebraska Public Media
I do not see that as an explosion.
Seattle’s murder rate puts it on the low end of the spectrum for major US cities. Rape is lower middle. Total violent crime is in the middle of the pack. For property crime Seattle is in the upper quarter. The well known liberal cities of Mobile, Wichita, Baton Rouge, St Louis and Memphis beat it out. Correlation does not imply causation.
List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia
Edited by Theodoric, : Punctuation
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 417 of 953 (859546)
08-01-2019 1:01 PM
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08-01-2019 11:47 AM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
What you are saying is that Hydro posted a slanted alt-Reich video of misinformation purposely twisted to advance an anti-American agenda of political hate. The video was complete with a handful of rednecks shouting down a tax meant to fund solutions to the problems the video over-hyped as if the general population was near revolt.
As I recall Hydro did the same thing with an alt-Reich video on Sweden’s non-existent rape of our white women by brown immigrants crisis.
Am I detecting a trend here?
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Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 418 of 953 (859547)
08-01-2019 1:05 PM
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08-01-2019 10:49 AM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Well, it's true, Trump has never said anything racist. The liberals area always saying he has but he hasn't, it's all their invention. Sorry you believe them enough to soak your tablet in coffee.

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Message 419 of 953 (859548)
08-01-2019 1:07 PM
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08-01-2019 1:05 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Faith writes:
Trump has never said anything racist.
You don't know that.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 420 of 953 (859550)
08-01-2019 1:11 PM
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08-01-2019 10:47 AM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
If the 7th was white majority, would Trump have described it as a rat-infested failure?
Of course he would have if the conditions were the same as they are now. Even Elijah Cummings himself called it "drug infested" back in 1999, using the very word "infested" that's being pinned on Trump as "racist," also described the people in that district as walking around like "zombies;" and the black mayor of Baltimore is heard on audio a few years ago recoiling from the stench of the rats when she visted there, and Bernie Sanders also visited and said it was like the "third world." Soe why is Trump being singled out? Oh yeah....
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