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Faith 
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Message 31 of 953 (854115)
06-04-2019 6:55 PM
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06-04-2019 6:50 PM


No this is not about racism
...calls for restricting immigration always came with fears about American culture becoming polluted by foreign traditions, not to mention the hysteria that foreigners will be bringinging diseases and crime.

Yeah and it's really weird that you don't know the difference between such fears about losing our culture, and about disease and crime, and racism.

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Message 32 of 953 (854116)
06-04-2019 7:20 PM
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06-04-2019 5:25 PM


Sanctuary cities do not oppose immigration law.

I'm also going to guess that they are also protesting the way immigration law is being implemented,

Rounding up law abibing people who were brought into this country when they were too young to remember much about their country of origin and deporting them from the only home they really know.

Separating non-documented parents from there citizen children.

Lying in wait and capturing people in need when they try to make use of essential services like law enforcement, medical care, or education.

The inhumane treatment of people once they are in custody.

Denial of due process to prevent legitimate claims from being heard.

And so forth.


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Message 33 of 953 (854117)
06-04-2019 7:22 PM
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06-04-2019 6:55 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
I'm going to guess it's basically the same as the difference between fears of rampant voting fraud and racism.

Namely, none.


If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Message 34 of 953 (854118)
06-04-2019 7:32 PM
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06-04-2019 6:50 PM


I think that in this modern world we need control over our borders. Control that is cost-effective and efficacious. I don't know what that is but Trump's wall is neither.

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Message 35 of 953 (854119)
06-04-2019 7:36 PM
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06-04-2019 6:55 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
I see it as enriching our culture. I suspect you mean preserving a white majority.

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Message 36 of 953 (854122)
06-04-2019 9:44 PM
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06-04-2019 5:19 PM


Your ignorance of sanctuary cities continues to show. You might want to learn about the movement before you comment about it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 37 of 953 (854124)
06-04-2019 9:52 PM
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06-04-2019 7:36 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
You can't enrich our culture by turning it into something else, something built on an alien philosophy of ****, something that creates poverty that supplants American prosperity. We need people who have SOME education, SOME means of succeeding in **** so they aren't completely dependent on us, and a definite appreciation of America, willing to learn about American history and culture, interested in learning a lot about it and living by it. Of course that means Americans, who know so little about it as it is, need to learn it first. A massive educational undoing of the Marxist influences of the last few decades is no doubt where we need to start. People applying for citizenship used to be required to learn the language and some American culture, our founding documents at least.

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Message 38 of 953 (854126)
06-04-2019 9:56 PM
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06-04-2019 9:52 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
What Faith means is white, Anglo-Saxon protestants only please.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Faith 
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Message 39 of 953 (854127)
06-04-2019 10:16 PM


It's really not race
My brother just had a family from India staying with him and his wife for the last two weeks. The father, a Christian preacher in India, had visited a few times before, and his wife came once. This time he brought her and their two daughters aged eleven and thirteen. They do speak some English but tend to speak to each other in their own language, Telagu -- that's how it sounds, not sure I spelled it OK. I met the pastor through a friend of mine a few years ago and sent them some money when I could afford it, until I stopped working and had to get government help. I introduced him to my brother who is financially better able to do something for them as well as having a house big enough for them to stay -- an ordinary three bedroom house but a house that big in India would house fifteen families they told us). He took them to church and many of the church members took up their cause -- basically extreme poverty of a sort we can hardly imagine. They run a school and an orphanage for Dalit children in India as well as a church. So they got quite a few donations here and some of the people have pledged to continue it over time.

They are from the "untouchable" class in India, or Dalit, although the abuse has let up some in recent years. Being Christians, however, they are persecuted by the Hindus, personally so far escaping that fate although he's sent us photos of Christians beaten up and llyng in the street, some dead.

He wants his daughters to come and **** here, and asked my brother if they could llve with them and go to Middle School here. It would be great if that could work out but as my brother said his health isn't so great and it would be years to see them through high school. We are praying about how to work it out.

Yes their being Christians makes them desirable immigrants from my point of view, but their poverty and lack of education really makes it impossible or at least very difficult. Their race is not relevant. The pastor is as black as Krishna, his wife is much lighter and the daughters got her coloring, but they are still what would be called brown. They are very pretty and very sweet. If the girls at least could get an education they could later bring their parents here. Lots to work out.

There are 1.3 billion people in India, most of them living in great poverty. If they decided to move here there would be no more USA. But that's what's happening on our southern border as it is.

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Message 40 of 953 (854129)
06-04-2019 10:46 PM
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06-04-2019 9:52 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
The short form of your post was “Irish go home!” back about 1850.

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Message 41 of 953 (854150)
06-05-2019 9:12 AM
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06-04-2019 9:52 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
The only constant is change. You look back, we look forward. Whatever happens our culture will be more broadly based.

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Message 42 of 953 (854151)
06-05-2019 9:14 AM
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06-04-2019 9:56 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
Some white Anglo-Saxon protestants. No liberals.

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Faith 
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Message 43 of 953 (854152)
06-05-2019 9:36 AM
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06-04-2019 10:46 PM


Re: No this is not about racism
So you agree that it's about culture, not race.

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Message 44 of 953 (854159)
06-05-2019 11:41 AM
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06-05-2019 9:36 AM


Re: No this is not about racism
Coragyps writes:

The short form of your post was “Irish go home!” back about 1850.


So you agree that it's about culture, not race.

Even with the Irish, it was about race. Look at the cartoons, especially political cartoons, of the time. The Irish were depicted as squat, ape-like creatures, hardly recognizable as human and incapable of civilized behavior. The Wikipedia article, Anti-Irish Sentiment, even has an example that went full-bore ape, "Mr. G. O'Rilla". Another source much richer in examples is Irish Apes: Tactics of De-Humanization:

quote:
In the last few hundred years, dark-skinned peoples have been likened to apes in an effort to dehumanize them and justify their oppression and exploitation. This is familiar to most Americans as something that is done peculiarly to Black people (as examples, see here, here, and here). The history of U.S. discrimination against the Irish, however, offers an interesting comparative data point. The Irish, too, have been compared to apes, suggesting that this comparison is a generalizable tactic of oppression, not one inspired by the color of the skin of Africans.

No matter how much you try to hide and deny it, it's about race.


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Faith 
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Message 45 of 953 (854163)
06-05-2019 11:48 AM
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06-05-2019 11:41 AM


Re: No this is not about racism
How can I be hiding and denying something I never even heard of before?

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