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Faith
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Message 556 of 610 (860421)
08-07-2019 3:11 PM


Gosh, a bunch of ugly personal opinions allowed to contradict a simple straightforward description of what Trump actually said. He called for unity but that doesn't matter to the Leftist crowd, he can say whatever he wants he will be called a liar and a racist and a white supremacist be cause the truth is in the Lerftist's head and not in reality.
    
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Message 557 of 610 (860446)
08-07-2019 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 552 by JonF
08-07-2019 11:15 AM


Re: Backlash against NYT headline
What did he say about the Democrats when he attacked them? Possibly that they interfere with the unity he was calling for? Hm?
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Message 558 of 610 (860453)
08-07-2019 4:27 PM
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08-07-2019 4:05 PM


Re: Backlash against NYT headline
Nope, he didn't mention unity or any similar concept. .

Your sources don't cover Trump’s tweets?


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Message 559 of 610 (860454)
08-07-2019 4:31 PM
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08-07-2019 4:27 PM


Re: Backlash against NYT headline
Your sources don't cover Trump’s tweets?

Look at Trump's own words for what Trump said? Heaven forbid. You need to look at what the commentators say about what he said.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 560 of 610 (860464)
08-07-2019 4:56 PM
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08-07-2019 4:05 PM


Re: Backlash against NYT headline
Whoops, he did mention unity in one

Beto O'Rourke has been criticizing Trump:

Trump, of course, called for unity in his reply:

On the Dayton shooter, who appears to have been a leftist:

The shooter's motive is unknown, although we know he was fascinated by violence. Lots of media are reporting his views and history. Like CNN:

quote:
Former high school classmates said that he had a "hit list" of people he wanted to kill or rape. He was in a "pornogrind" band with extremely graphic, violent lyrics. And authorities searching his family home found writings that expressed an interest in killing people, two law enforcement sources told CNN.

But the writings did not indicate any racial or political motive, sources said.
In addition, a Twitter account that appears to belong to Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters

...

In the hours before the Dayton shooting, the Twitter account "liked" several tweets about a shooting in El Paso that left 22 dead, including one supporting gun control and others that called the El Paso shooting suspect a "terrorist," and a "white supremacist."

The account retweeted messages supporting Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, as well as posts against ICE agents, including one that said, "these people are monsters," and multiple posts condemning police, and supporting Antifa protesters, who often use violent tactics


Matthew 5:38-40.


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Message 561 of 610 (860467)
08-07-2019 5:04 PM


http://www.msnbc.com/...says-his-words-bring-people-together

quote:
On the White House south lawn this morning, as the president prepared to visit communities in Texas and Ohio still reeling from the mass murders, Trump stopped to briefly to talk to reporters. The president seemed eager, at least initially, to soften his tone.

quote:
“[Critics] are people that are looking for political gain. I don’t think they’re getting it. And, as much as possible, I’ve tried to stay out of that…. I think we have toned it down…. I would like to stay out of the political fray. […]

“I think my rhetoric is a very – it brings people together.”


How he managed to say this with a straight face wasn’t altogether clear.

But as part of the same brief remarks, Trump proceeded to twice point to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren in relation to the Dayton shooter, criticize the Democratic mayor of Dayton, take another not-so-subtle shot at Beto O’Rourke, and wrap things up by calling Joe Biden “a pretty incompetent guy.”


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Message 562 of 610 (860479)
08-07-2019 6:28 PM
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08-07-2019 5:04 PM


In the page you linked, there's link to another article on the theme of Trump's call for unity:

Trump flubs question on how to bring Americans together (again)

When asked by Laura Ingraham what he could do to "unite the country at a time of great polarization,"

The president responded by lashing out at his perceived political enemies and suggesting that the key to harmony is having everyone agree to “do whatever” Trump wants....

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 563 of 610 (860483)
08-07-2019 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 557 by Faith
08-07-2019 4:05 PM


Re: Backlash against NYT headline
The Great Unifier visits Dayton:

quote:
Today the president went to Dayton, Ohio, after which -- the Great Unifier! -- he attacked local politicians who'd been with him:

quote:
In a series of tweets after visiting victims of the mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio, President Trump accused Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley of lying in a press conference....

Trump on Brown and Whaley: "Just left Dayton, Ohio, where I met with the Victims & families, Law Enforcement, Medical Staff & First Responders. It was a warm & wonderful visit. Tremendous enthusiasm & even Love. Then I saw failed Presidential Candidate (0%) Sherrod Brown & Mayor Whaley totally misrepresenting what took place inside of the hospital. Their news conference after I left for El Paso was a fraud. It bore no resemblance to what took place with those incredible people that I was so lucky to meet and spend time with. They were all amazing!"



There's just one problem: Neither Brown nor Whaley said the things the president claimed they said

quote:
Brown, a frequent critic of Trump, said that the president "was received well by the patients...They were hurting, he was comforting. He did the right things, Melania did the right things." ...

Whaley, meanwhile, did not directly attack Trump, but questioned whether he was serious about taking action on gun control: "I'm hoping, for the people of Dayton, that he does, but both the senator and I spoke very directly what we've been saying the whole time about the need for common-sense gun legislation."




https://nomoremister.blogspot.com/...like-cops-planting.html

ABE The press was not allowed in the visit.

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Message 564 of 610 (860511)
08-08-2019 10:22 AM


Warnings about right wing terrorism have been ignored for a long time
From The Guardian:

'Blood on their hands': the intelligence officer whose warning over white supremacy was ignored

Ten years ago, analysts warned against a rise in rightwing racial terrorism. The Congressional Republicans howled in outrage, screaming how this was a cover to target conservative groups. As a result, all focus on rightwing groups were shut down and people even lost their jobs. This has had a chilling effect in the law enforcement community prevent proper study of and adequate resources devote to rightwing violence.

The Guardian has published an interview with Daryl Johnson, the former Homeland Security official who led that analysis team.

Some excerpts:

Should the communities targeted by white nationalist violence – African Americans, Jewish Americans, Muslim Americans, Hispanic Americans – feel confident that their government is doing enough to protect them?
I don’t think these communities have much confidence right now. And they shouldn’t have confidence, because for the past 10 years, our government has basically failed us on this issue.

If the term “rightwing extremism” had been used for decades without any complaint, what changed in 2009?
There was a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress. There was a massive loss at the polls for Republicans, and I think they were trying to grasp at anything they could use to try to persuade conservative Democrats to vote Republican in the next election.

Why do you think the Republican Party doesn’t want to talk about rightwing terrorism and white supremacy?
Partly because they’re the ones who are arming Americans. No matter how many times you can try to blame the person for carrying out the act, they still have access to weapons that are meant for war.

And I also believe, going back to their campaign strategy for the 2010 midterms, there’s blood on their hands. They’re definitely fanning the flame and providing the fuel, and it’s all to win elections.

What would be the signs that there’s change in the government’s approach, but in a negative direction?
That’s the way it’s headed right now. I don’t see this problem going away anytime soon. It’s getting worse. The changing demographics in America can’t be stopped and it will continue to feed the extremists who fear the United States is becoming brown and not white. And when you have a president mainstreaming your ideas, a president who seems to lend tacit support to you, it gives you a license to misbehave.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

  
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Message 565 of 610 (860709)
08-10-2019 11:32 AM


Krugman: Republicans are enablers of racial terrorism
Last Tuesday's column by Paul Krugman:

Trump, Tax Cuts and Terrorism

In which Krugman asks the question: why is the Republican Party the enabler of racial terrorism?

Don’t pretend to be shocked. Just look at G.O.P. responses to the massacre in El Paso.... But as far as I can tell, not one prominent Republican has even hinted at the obvious link between Donald Trump’s repeated incitements to violence and the upsurge in hate crimes.

He also mentions how ten years ago Republicans shut down the attempt by Homeland Security analysts to warn about the rise in white nationalist terrorism, and so points out the blood on their hands. But the Republicans' true goal?

The central story of U.S. politics since the 1970s is the takeover of the Republican Party by economic radicals, determined to slash taxes for the wealthy while undermining the social safety net.

With the arguable exception of George H.W. Bush, every Republican president since 1980 has pushed through tax cuts that disproportionately benefited the 1 percent while trying to defund and/or privatize key social programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act.

This agenda is, however, unpopular. Most voters believe that the rich should pay more, not less, in taxes, and want spending on social programs to rise, not fall.

So how do Republicans win elections? By appealing to racial animus. This is such an obvious fact of American political life that you have to be willfully blind not to see it.

Conclusion:

In effect, then, the Republican Party decided that a few massacres were an acceptable price to pay in return for tax cuts.

Edited by Chiroptera, : Added a sentence to make a point more clear.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

  
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Message 566 of 610 (860743)
08-11-2019 11:19 AM


The global tentacles of white nationalism
From The New York Times:

The Global Machine Behind the Rise of Far-Right Nationalism

A few months ago, I read Dark Money by Jane Mayer, and I've just started reading Democracy in Chains by Nancy MacLean. These books detail American billionaires' creation of a fifth column to subvert American democracy under an ideology of "free market libertarianism" because of their resentment that they have to pay taxes and that health and safety and labor regulations limit what they can do with their businesses.

Yesterday, I brought up a column by Paul Krugman pointing out how the free market libertarian bolsheviks are using white nationalism to push their agenda. By coincidence, this morning's New York Times has an article on the racism part.

The article talks about how all the white nationalist groups in the US and in Europe are linked, and how these links lead to Russia, and how these links are deliberately hidden.

The article focuses on Sweden, but makes it clear that the authors feel that it is similar everywhere, including the US.

Among the examples:

Witnesses describe how Russian "journalists" were offering Syrian immigrants money to stage a fight to showcase "violence" in immigrant communities.

One supplier of racist "news" to white nationalist sites is a hidden portion of the website of a Russian/Ukrainian owned auto parts store; this store also gives money to these white nationalist sites for "advertising ".

Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.

Edited by Chiroptera, : More typos.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 567 of 610 (860746)
08-11-2019 1:51 PM
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08-11-2019 11:19 AM


Re: The global tentacles of white nationalism
The article talks about how all the white nationalist groups in the US and in Europe are linked, and how these links lead to Russia, and how these links are deliberately hidden.

How pervasive is it theorized to be?


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 568 of 610 (860759)
08-11-2019 3:58 PM
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08-11-2019 1:51 PM


The Nazis Are Coming.
Pervasive enough they have you posting their propaganda pieces here at EvC ... twice.

And we're small stuff compared to the rest of the internet. That's quite a reach.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 569 of 610 (860761)
08-11-2019 4:15 PM
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08-11-2019 3:58 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Pervasive enough they have you posting their propaganda pieces here at EvC ... twice.

Did I? Remind me what those faux pas were again? Cuz its been my understanding that white nationalists are proud and vocal to be such. If I was a white nationalist or a white nationalist sympathizer, I would just tell you. I'm quite fond of the notion that my grandparents were Nazi killers.

I'm trying to have a civil dialogue with Chiro, since what he's saying kind of makes sense. I'm kind of intrigued by what he wrote and was trying to gain insight. I'm not sure why you're throwing molotov cocktails my way.


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Message 570 of 610 (860762)
08-11-2019 4:25 PM
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Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Message 107
Message 112
Message 417

If you don't want to be confused for a duck stop quacking like one.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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